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10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/04/2025 22:53

Even if the vehicle was 'acting suspiciously posing a direct threat to Israeli forces', which I doubt it was, that's not a good excuse to tie up the paramedics, execute them, chop off the head of one of them, run over the ambulance with a tank and burry it.

https://x.com/gazanotice/status/1907071809456894074

https://x.com/sahatenglish/status/1906823879856935044

https://x.com/sahatenglish/status/1906823879856935044

SassySusie · 02/04/2025 23:13

happyhermione · 02/04/2025 22:10

War crimes.

Yes it is. War crimes.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2025 23:15

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/04/2025 22:53

Even if the vehicle was 'acting suspiciously posing a direct threat to Israeli forces', which I doubt it was, that's not a good excuse to tie up the paramedics, execute them, chop off the head of one of them, run over the ambulance with a tank and burry it.

https://x.com/gazanotice/status/1907071809456894074

https://x.com/sahatenglish/status/1906823879856935044

Quite.

There was a survivor who says that claim is untrue anyway.

BBC News:
The Israeli military says its forces opened fire because the vehicles were moving suspiciously towards soldiers without prior co-ordination and with their lights off. It also claimed that nine Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad operatives were killed in the incident.

Munther challenges that account.

"During day and at night, it's the same thing. External and internal lights are on. Everything tells you it's an ambulance vehicle that belongs to the Palestinian Red Crescent. All lights were on until the vehicle came under direct fire," he says.
After that, he adds, he was pulled from the wreckage by Israeli soldiers, arrested and blindfolded. He claimed he was interrogated over 15 hours, before being released.

The BBC has put his claims to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), but it is yet to respond.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgere1y740o

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 09:14

You are all assuming this guy’s account is true. You are assuming that automatically and without question, probably because that’s the way your bias takes you.

Now it might be true, but it might not. If it isn’t true, the IDFs comments are legitimate. We know that unfortunately Hamas are not above embedding themselves in UNWRA or healthcare facilities. If it is true, it’s an appalling error or a war crime.

bdot86 · 03/04/2025 09:25

Even if Hamas was in a hospital or a UN facility, that doesn’t justify flattening the whole place and killing hundreds of civilians. International law is clear… attacks have to be proportionate, and civilian buildings are protected.

Calling the killing of aid workers an “error” is a weak excuse when Israel keeps bombing ambulances, hospitals, refugee camps, and journalists. At some point, when the same “mistakes” keep happening, it’s not a mistake anymore, it’s the plan.

And lastly, this is not about “bias”.. it’s about basic humanity. Watching thousands of innocent people, especially children, being killed and calling it out isn’t some ideological stance, it’s just having a conscience.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/04/2025 09:29

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 09:14

You are all assuming this guy’s account is true. You are assuming that automatically and without question, probably because that’s the way your bias takes you.

Now it might be true, but it might not. If it isn’t true, the IDFs comments are legitimate. We know that unfortunately Hamas are not above embedding themselves in UNWRA or healthcare facilities. If it is true, it’s an appalling error or a war crime.

Possibly, but the IDF is more than capable of lying too.

Let’s say the lights were off and that is a suspicious thing. Then why would Hamas have turned the lights off and made themselves come under suspicion?

ScrollingLeaves · 03/04/2025 09:49

Account from Israeli newspaper Haaretz
April ( without links or photos).

Terrible things happened last week on the road to Tel al-Sultan, a neighbourhood in the Gazan town of Rafah. What we know so far is that a Red Crescent ambulance was summoned to the area to evacuate the casualties of an Israeli attack. The ambulance crew that arrived first asked that a second ambulance be sent. But the second ambulance never reached its destination, and the same was true of several rescue crews sent out after it.

For five days, there was no information about what had become of them. Only on Sunday did the army allow rescue crews from the United Nations and the Red Crescent to go there. They found a giant pile of sand in which parts of crushed, destroyed vehicles were visible. Ultimately, they found five ambulances in it, as well as a fire truck and UN vehicles. In another location to which someone in the Israel Defense Forces referred them, they dug and found the bodies of the 15 rescue workers – eight employees of the Palestinian Red Crescent, six employees of Gaza's civil defense agency and one UN worker.

Palestinian sources said that the bodies were found outside their vehicles. Some had their hands or legs tied, and there were indications that they had been shot from close range. In at least one case, someone who was there confirmed to Haaretz that the body's legs were tied. And if all this weren't enough, while they were on their way to the site, UN workers saw hundreds of people fleeing the area under fire. They said they saw one woman shot in the back of her head, and a young man who tried to help her was also shot.

The IDF confirmed that the vehicles were shot at, but claimed it was because they looked suspicious. It also said the shooting killed a known operative of Hamas' military wing along with eight other people active in either Hamas or Islamic Jihad.

But this IDF response is inadequate, especially given the army's permissive rules of engagement in the Gaza Strip and the fact that officers in the field ignore international law and even Israeli law. The 15 rescue workers killed in Tel al-Sultan join the over 1,000 medical workers, rescue workers and civil defense personnel who have been killed since the war began.

To date, more than 50,000 people have been killed in Gaza, according to Gaza's Hamas-run Health Ministry. On Wednesday, April 2, it will be one month since Israel closed all the border crossings to Gaza. Since then, no food or aid of any kind has entered. The threat of starvation and a humanitarian crisis is once again hovering over Gaza's 2 million inhabitants. The IDF must provide clear answers regarding what happened to the ambulances and their crews. In addition, the chief of staff and other senior officers must make an effort to prevent harm to innocents and medical workers and reduce the suffering of the innocent people in Gaza.

Even though this government would like the war to continue forever, it will end someday. And on that day, the IDF and Israeli society as a whole will be forced to look in the mirror and deal with the knowledge that these atrocities were committed in our name.

EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 09:52

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 09:14

You are all assuming this guy’s account is true. You are assuming that automatically and without question, probably because that’s the way your bias takes you.

Now it might be true, but it might not. If it isn’t true, the IDFs comments are legitimate. We know that unfortunately Hamas are not above embedding themselves in UNWRA or healthcare facilities. If it is true, it’s an appalling error or a war crime.

So we shouldn’t believe Palestinians because? Do you have a reason / explanation why we shouldn’t believe them? Should we believe Israelis as well or should we put in doubt their experiences as well according to you?

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EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 09:58

ScrollingLeaves · 03/04/2025 09:49

Account from Israeli newspaper Haaretz
April ( without links or photos).

Terrible things happened last week on the road to Tel al-Sultan, a neighbourhood in the Gazan town of Rafah. What we know so far is that a Red Crescent ambulance was summoned to the area to evacuate the casualties of an Israeli attack. The ambulance crew that arrived first asked that a second ambulance be sent. But the second ambulance never reached its destination, and the same was true of several rescue crews sent out after it.

For five days, there was no information about what had become of them. Only on Sunday did the army allow rescue crews from the United Nations and the Red Crescent to go there. They found a giant pile of sand in which parts of crushed, destroyed vehicles were visible. Ultimately, they found five ambulances in it, as well as a fire truck and UN vehicles. In another location to which someone in the Israel Defense Forces referred them, they dug and found the bodies of the 15 rescue workers – eight employees of the Palestinian Red Crescent, six employees of Gaza's civil defense agency and one UN worker.

Palestinian sources said that the bodies were found outside their vehicles. Some had their hands or legs tied, and there were indications that they had been shot from close range. In at least one case, someone who was there confirmed to Haaretz that the body's legs were tied. And if all this weren't enough, while they were on their way to the site, UN workers saw hundreds of people fleeing the area under fire. They said they saw one woman shot in the back of her head, and a young man who tried to help her was also shot.

The IDF confirmed that the vehicles were shot at, but claimed it was because they looked suspicious. It also said the shooting killed a known operative of Hamas' military wing along with eight other people active in either Hamas or Islamic Jihad.

But this IDF response is inadequate, especially given the army's permissive rules of engagement in the Gaza Strip and the fact that officers in the field ignore international law and even Israeli law. The 15 rescue workers killed in Tel al-Sultan join the over 1,000 medical workers, rescue workers and civil defense personnel who have been killed since the war began.

To date, more than 50,000 people have been killed in Gaza, according to Gaza's Hamas-run Health Ministry. On Wednesday, April 2, it will be one month since Israel closed all the border crossings to Gaza. Since then, no food or aid of any kind has entered. The threat of starvation and a humanitarian crisis is once again hovering over Gaza's 2 million inhabitants. The IDF must provide clear answers regarding what happened to the ambulances and their crews. In addition, the chief of staff and other senior officers must make an effort to prevent harm to innocents and medical workers and reduce the suffering of the innocent people in Gaza.

Even though this government would like the war to continue forever, it will end someday. And on that day, the IDF and Israeli society as a whole will be forced to look in the mirror and deal with the knowledge that these atrocities were committed in our name.

Even though this government would like the war to continue forever, it will end someday. And on that day, the IDF and Israeli society as a whole will be forced to look in the mirror and deal with the knowledge that these atrocities were committed in our name.

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I agree with this, I don’t believe this war is making Israelis safer in their country

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VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:05

EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 09:52

So we shouldn’t believe Palestinians because? Do you have a reason / explanation why we shouldn’t believe them? Should we believe Israelis as well or should we put in doubt their experiences as well according to you?

Well I don’t know why you would automatically believe anyone, when both sides have a vested interest in lying and much of the evidence is unverified.

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:08

bdot86 · 03/04/2025 09:25

Even if Hamas was in a hospital or a UN facility, that doesn’t justify flattening the whole place and killing hundreds of civilians. International law is clear… attacks have to be proportionate, and civilian buildings are protected.

Calling the killing of aid workers an “error” is a weak excuse when Israel keeps bombing ambulances, hospitals, refugee camps, and journalists. At some point, when the same “mistakes” keep happening, it’s not a mistake anymore, it’s the plan.

And lastly, this is not about “bias”.. it’s about basic humanity. Watching thousands of innocent people, especially children, being killed and calling it out isn’t some ideological stance, it’s just having a conscience.

We’re talking about a specific incident, which may or may not have happened as reported. You have unquestioning believed it to be true, which suggests bias. ‘Humanity’ would simply lament the loss of life.

EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 10:14

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:08

We’re talking about a specific incident, which may or may not have happened as reported. You have unquestioning believed it to be true, which suggests bias. ‘Humanity’ would simply lament the loss of life.

Doesn’t not believing also suggest bias ??
btw Palestinians in general don’t lie. It’s Hamas who has lied. Same way as Israelis as a group don’t lie , it’s idf who has lied. Unless you say we shouldn’t believe Palestinians because some Palestinians lie and we shouldn’t believe Israelis neither because some Israelis have lied.

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VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:17

EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 10:14

Doesn’t not believing also suggest bias ??
btw Palestinians in general don’t lie. It’s Hamas who has lied. Same way as Israelis as a group don’t lie , it’s idf who has lied. Unless you say we shouldn’t believe Palestinians because some Palestinians lie and we shouldn’t believe Israelis neither because some Israelis have lied.

It’s possible to neither believe nor disbelieve. Most things in this area go into a ‘might be true’ category in my head.

Martymcfly24 · 03/04/2025 10:33

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:17

It’s possible to neither believe nor disbelieve. Most things in this area go into a ‘might be true’ category in my head.

But if it was true and they had their lights on did they deserve to be tied up, shot at close range and buried in an unmarked grave?

EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 10:50

Martymcfly24 · 03/04/2025 10:33

But if it was true and they had their lights on did they deserve to be tied up, shot at close range and buried in an unmarked grave?

And if they did have them off … did they deserve it as well? All of them? Israel has said they killed one Hamas member. But here we’ve got 15 people. Did they all deserve to be killed and treated this way? And also why hide their ambulance ?

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VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:54

You keep wanting to jump past the question of ‘if it’s true’! This is the only thing worth discussing, because you’re not going to find anyone who says that a person posing no threat ought to be executed.

Mylegishangingoff · 03/04/2025 11:19

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 10:54

You keep wanting to jump past the question of ‘if it’s true’! This is the only thing worth discussing, because you’re not going to find anyone who says that a person posing no threat ought to be executed.

But even if they do pose a threat why were they executed? I thought that was a war crime? They bound them and executed them is it not normal to arrest people and put them on trial? What threat does a bound man pose exactly? Why was the lifesaving medical equipment then destroyed? Honestly where are people's morals here.

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 11:40

If they pose an immediate threat then shooting them is permitted. Obviously someone bound is unlikely to pose an immediate threat and we get back to the question of whether it’s true that they were bound and/or shot at close range.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 03/04/2025 11:41

ScrollingLeaves- that's absolutely horrific. And they did this to the crews of at least 8 emergency vehicles?! Words fail me. Those people people. 💔

Whatsinanamehey · 03/04/2025 15:01

VaVaVaVaVroom · 03/04/2025 11:40

If they pose an immediate threat then shooting them is permitted. Obviously someone bound is unlikely to pose an immediate threat and we get back to the question of whether it’s true that they were bound and/or shot at close range.

Right, like shooting hostages waving white flags? I wonder what threat the IDF saw there? And how else they decide who is a 'threat'

Whatsinanamehey · 03/04/2025 15:03

Or bombing British aid workers in marked vehicles who had co-ordinated their route with the IDF. IDF felt very threatened so killed them all.

Mylegishangingoff · 03/04/2025 15:11

Whatsinanamehey · 03/04/2025 15:01

Right, like shooting hostages waving white flags? I wonder what threat the IDF saw there? And how else they decide who is a 'threat'

You see this is the issue isn't it? What is a 'threat'? Is there rules that govern this because it would seem that the IDF get spooked very easily.

Whatsinanamehey · 03/04/2025 15:30

Mylegishangingoff · 03/04/2025 15:11

You see this is the issue isn't it? What is a 'threat'? Is there rules that govern this because it would seem that the IDF get spooked very easily.

There's plenty online where Israeli soldiers talk of how the rules of engagement were formally and even more informally loosened. It is very much a culture of shoot first and ask questions later.

Whatsinanamehey · 03/04/2025 16:29

It's all coming out now, I doubt Israel cares though, it's just another in a long list of their war crimes.

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