Hamas and Gazans revolting

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g71lk09npo

I think it's a real positive that brave Gazans are now protesting against Hamas openly demonstrating at least some of the population can see it is Hamas that has brought death and destruction to the enclave.

The irony is that war trodden Gazans are protesting in harsh conditions possibly risking death against Hamas while in your average 'Pro Palestine' March in London there are very limited signs with Hamas out. Should we start anti Hamas protests in the UK in solidarity with Gaza?

Intriguing new poll finds 48% of Gazans support anti-Hamas demonstrations — and 43% want to leave Gaza

Palestinian opposition to Hamas is growing sharply.
Nearly half of all Gazans — 48% — now support the anti-Hamas protests that are steadily gaining momentum and size in the Gaza Strip.
At the same time, Palestinian support for the Hamas invasion and slaughter of Israelis on October 7 is steadily declining.
In March 2024, 71% of Palestinians said Hamas’ decision to invade was the right one.
Today, that number has dropped to 50%, plunging 21 points over the past 14 months, according to an intriguing new poll released this week.
Among those who actually live in Gaza — those who have suffered the horrific consequences of the war — only 38% still support Hamas’ decision to attack Israel. By contrast, among those in the West Bank, support remains much higher at 59%.

NEARLY ONE MILLION GAZANS SAY THEY WANT TO LEAVE GAZA

What’s more, a massive number of Palestinians now want to leave Gaza in search of safety and opportunity far from the war-torn and devastated Strip.
“We asked the residents of the Gaza Strip about U.S. President Trump’s statements about the need to displace them in order to rebuild it, and whether they are ready to emigrate from the Strip after the end of the war,” the pollsters noted.
“A majority of 56% said they are not willing to emigrate, but a large minority of 43% say they are willing to emigrate from the Gaza Strip after the end of the war.”
That suggests that of the roughly 2.2 million Palestinians currently living in Gaza, upwards of 1 million are now saying they want out.

PALESTINIANS DEMAND MAHMOUD ABBAS RESIGN — AND SEE IRAN’S HELP AS HARMFUL

Opposition to the regime of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank is sky-high.
Fully 81% of Palestinians say it’s time for Abbas to step down and are demanding his resignation.
Support for Iran among Palestinians is strikingly low, despite Iran’s strong financial and military support for Hamas.
“We asked the public about its assessment of Iran’s role in Palestine in light of what has been happening since October 7: is it a useful role or harmful to the Palestinian cause?” the pollster noted.
“A majority of 54% believes Iran’s role is harmful, while only 32% believe it is beneficial.”
These are among the encouraging findings of a new poll conducted by the credible and widely trusted Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR).
The poll was conducted in the West Bank and Gaza Strip between May 1 and 4.

https://allarab.news/intriguing-new-poll-finds-48-of-gazans-support-anti-hamas-demonstrations-and-43-want-to-leave-gaza/

That is interesting thank you.

With regards to those saying they want to leave - I have friends there who I am in touch with regularly. They are currently watching their three children (who haven't been to school in over 18 months and who are living in the ruins of their home) slowly starving. They are peace-loving professionals who have given up hope. They love Gaza and have roots there going back generations but would be in the 43% - not because they don't want to stay in their homeland but because they cannot believe they will be allowed to build a safe future for themselves in the short to medium term and they want to protect their children.

It is entirely understandable. There does not seem to be any hope.

It’s so disgusting what is being done to the Palestinian people

Israeli government is ” Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part” - one of the conditions of genocide.

Amazing to see how pollsters can carry out opinion polls but food aid is blocked. What’s surprising is that the number of people who would remain and be starved and bombed while living in tents with no water or sanitation.

The article is by Joel C Rosenberg, American Israeli Zionist and former associate of Mr Netanyahu. “Allarab”news isn’t really an Arab either- it’s Christian Zionist US registered , run by said Rosenberg in Israel, and it’s one of those murky little “not for profits” . No doubt the poll will undergo amplification in the usual way onward into more mainstream media to create an illusion of support for the Trump proposal to ethically cleanse Gaza and resettle.Most people would not stay in their house if it had no sewage, water and the structure was unsafe, but it couldn’t be considered as leaving voluntarily

Thanks, the article did read like a propaganda piece.

The people I know in Gaza are busy fighting to survive to partake in any surveys. They're also weary of any International (EU) funded researchers due to the absolute failure of the International community. How do you even get a representative sample during a genocide.

The fact that around 1 million of Palestinians currently living in Gaza are now saying they want out of that war zone is perfectly understandable and I agree it doesn't mean they don't love their homeland. I think it's obvious to people reading the article that they are not choosing to leave it as such but rather choosing to leave the devastating situation they find themselves in as a result of the Israel government/IDF response to the Hamas massacre.

To protect your children is the first instinct of most parents. If your friends do end up leaving Gaza @Sleepinggreyhounds I hope they are able to return when the war is over and hopefully a more moderate government is in charge.

There is a method here.

Hamas are haemorrhaging support since the blockade as their people are obviously angry and they can't support themselves through stealing good and seeking it on to support its troops.

The plan is for private companies to distribute aid so preventing Hamas from using the food for profit or to severe it towards its supporters. Alternative means of food distribution may be the death knell of Hamas and it's implosion would obviously lead to ad different political situation in terms of peace. As has been said many times before there can be no peace with Hamas.

Hamas want to protect the current food distribution route through relief agencies which they have penetrated so are more than willing to allow scene of deprivation to 'escape' Gaza to pressure foreign governments to sustain the current model. Let's face it PR is their only weapon in this war.

I think a lot of Palestinians do want to leave as simply the prospects of a sustainable peace ever where their families are safe is as remote as ever. I think in the West we are being a bit arrogant denying them this desire to leave as it doesn't suit the agenda of Palestinian resistance from some quarters. We haven't been in a Palestians shoes so can't relate to the utter human desire for safety that must the prevalent.

Reconstruction fund declarations at the moment are simply political rhetoric alongside calls for a two state solution. The objective reality I think is that the moment has passed for state negotiations and massive reconstruction. The antagonism between the combatants is just too high.

A hope for an internal revolt against Hamas does seem to me the only possible viable route to some.ceasefire but there would need to be a new government that would stamp down on terrorism.

The fact that around 1 million of Palestinians currently living in Gaza are saying they want out of that war zone
Staggered to figure out where this stat is coming from? Around one million people in Gaza have been questioned on this? How? Genuinely interested to know

I think it's obvious to people reading the article that they are not choosing to leave it as such but rather choosing to leave the devastating situation they find themselves in as a result of the Israel government/IDF response to the Hamas massacre.
Yes forced displacement with no choice. Which as @Kindatired pointed out falls under the definition of genocide
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part” -

I hope whoever ends up settling on this land if the Palestinians are displaced will not have a day of happiness in their life

Staggered to figure out where this stat is coming from? Around one million people in Gaza have been questioned on this? How? Genuinely interested to know

Of course one million people in Gaza have not been questioned on this @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend The way polls work is a number of people in a population are questioned and then the numbers are extrapolated to provide an estimate for the whole population. Like you might see a poll suggesting x percentage of people in the UK want to buy an electric car in the next 5 years, for example. They haven't asked everyone, just a sample.

In the article it says, " A majority of 56% said they are not willing to emigrate, but a large minority of 43% say they are willing to emigrate from the Gaza Strip after the end of the war".

That suggests that of the roughly 2.2 million Palestinians currently living in Gaza, upwards of I million are now saying they want out".

( I shouldn't have used the word "fact" in the post you quoted as actually it is only an estimate from the poll so the actual percentage could be higher or lower).

Yes I understand how polls work the wording is very clunky and, unless I missed it, they have not stated how many people were actually polled so how many people are they basing their percentages on?
I also find their use of the word "emigrating" inaccurate and minimising the reality. It is forced displacement because their homeland has been made unliveable, emigrating suggests they have some choice in this. I agree with @Kindatired it is a PR exercise to lead people to believe Palestinians are supportive of Trump's plan.

It’s just a poll @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

How you interpret the findings is up to you. I think it’s pretty obvious they are only saying they would leave Gaza due to the war not out of a free choice in the matter.

I don’t think saying “emigrating” gives an unrealistic view that they are doing it the way others might emigrate who aren’t living in a war zone.

Thank you for that context. I thought there might be something like that behind the poll.

It would be understandable though if many Palestinians feel so desperate they might now want to leave. It would still effectively mean being forced out. Imagine having children who need school and health immediately.

I am not sure if the question in the poll was posed as offering a vague, hypothetical alternative of leaving, or some concrete plan.

Hamas want to protect the current food distribution route through relief agencies which they have penetrated so are more than willing to allow scene of deprivation to 'escape' Gaza to pressure foreign governments to sustain the current model.

Do you have links/proof of these assertions about the relief agencies all penetrated by Hamas?

And Hamas “allowing a scene” of deprivation that Israel’s blockade somehow has nothing to do with?

Perhaps it might normally be called ‘seeking asylum’ as a refugee with the hope of return, unless the offer ensures a house, resettling money and citizenship in a, friendly country and is freely chosen.

It might be called asylum seeking when/if they leave, that remains to be seen.

Yes.

Senior Hamas official sparks outrage in Gaza after referring to war casualties as ‘material calculations’

A senior Hamas official has drawn widespread anger from Gaza residents after referring to the high death toll in the Strip as “material calculations.”

In a recent interview, Qatar-based Hamas senior official Sami Abu Zuhri remarked that the number of births in Gaza — around 50,000 — exceeds the number of war casualties, which he claimed demonstrates that the losses do not reflect the broader picture of the conflict.

He added, “The martyrs [killed in the war] — the wombs of Gaza’s women will give birth to twice as many. This is the price that must be paid. If we thought in material terms, we would not be able to hold onto our land.”

The interview, which originally aired in late March on a podcast, resurfaced in recent days and quickly went viral, prompting a wave of backlash from Gaza residents who viewed the comments as deeply disrespectful to the tens of thousands killed.

One Gaza resident filmed himself responding: “A man outside the Strip says that everyone who was killed can simply be replaced. This is someone deluded beyond reason — he’s not one of us.”

Another resident posted a video saying: “Hamas leadership says — so what if 60,000 people died? Someone else will take their place. Osama Abu Zuhri, you’re speaking from outside the Strip. Your children are outside the Strip. You ignite this war, and we are the fuel?!”
The outrage also spilled into the streets. During an anti-Hamas protest held yesterday in Khan Younis, demonstrators directly condemned Abu Zuhri’s remarks, chanting: “Oh Abu Zuhri, you disgrace, even the child wants to live.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-hamas-official-sparks-outrage-in-gaza-after-referring-to-war-casualties-as-material-calculations/

That reminds me of the celebrated Palestinian author Ghassan Kanafani and member of the PFLP, who was assassinated by Mossad in Lebanon in 1972. He remains a revered figure throughout the Arab world.

Fuck hamas indeed.

Hamas took control of Gaza in 2007. With the funding it receives from international aid, Hamas could have built infrastructure, health care, and education systems for its population. Instead, it has created rockets and tunnels to attack Israel, turning Gaza into a wasteland and keeping the Palestinian population in poverty.

Meanwhile, Hamas leaders siphon billions of dollars in aid for personal enrichment. Hamas has failed the Palestinian citizens who hoped for peace and prosperity. This war will not stop all the while Hamas exists.

They are very brave indeed.

36 hospitals bombed by the IDF. Israel has attacked 464 health care facilities altogether, killed 727 health care workers, injured 933 health care workers, and damaged or destroyed 113 ambulances

12 universities destroyed alongside numerous libraries, archives, publishing houses, cultural centres, activity halls, museums, bookstores, cemeteries, monuments and archival materials were turned to rubble, ruins and dust. IDF buffoons even filmed themselves burning books. 496 out of 564 schools have been destroyed.

Of course there was healthcare and infrastructure and education. There is this thing Israel does to dehumanise Palestinians where they teach in Israeli schools that Palestinians are all 'primitive' and criminals and that is where the propaganda you are spouting is coming from. Gaza wasn't a 'wasteland' with only tunnels and rockets, you know that.

Why at this point when Israel are purposefully starving little children to the point that 1000s of babies have reached a critical stage of starvation are you still here spreading propaganda? I don't get it, genuinely why do you feel the need to help the Israeli government along with their dehumanising of Palestinians after they have been clear that they plan to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from the area. Does it feel good playing a little part in that?

Are you standing up for Hamas? I am confused