Hamas and Gazans revolting

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g71lk09npo

I think it's a real positive that brave Gazans are now protesting against Hamas openly demonstrating at least some of the population can see it is Hamas that has brought death and destruction to the enclave.

The irony is that war trodden Gazans are protesting in harsh conditions possibly risking death against Hamas while in your average 'Pro Palestine' March in London there are very limited signs with Hamas out. Should we start anti Hamas protests in the UK in solidarity with Gaza?

Oh look, another post from you with nothing to say about Hamas, on a thread about Gazan civilians protesting them at great risk and after one has been tortured to death. The whatabouting is off the scale.

Hamas started a war they couldn’t possibly win, they need to hand over everyone they have. The reality is they literally do not care about Palestinian lives at all. They could hand them over, disband, negotiate passage to Iran or wherever and Israel would have not a single reason to be bombing Gaza. Gazan’s have a right to freedom, safety and democracy, same as anyone else. I hope to god they get it.

To be fair this post completely demonstrates how desperate the situation is for civilians. There is no country in the whole world physically supporting them and every day is a danger from all sides.

It doesn't completely do anything, because of the way it entirely ignores the topic of the thread and the recent developments. That poster really doesn't want people talking about Gazan resistance to Hamas, and what they do to Palestinians they don't like.

I would agree the situation is doubly desperate for civilians, of course. A post saying how awful it is for them caught between Hamas and ongoing Israeli bombing would've been fine.

The protest just gives lie to the claim that the bombing and indiscrimate killing of Palestinians is justified because the vast majority support Hamas .

I think that the majority of Palestinians are caught between a fear of Hamas and the fear of bombs raining down on them from Israel. That is an absolutely nightmarish situation to be in. I imagine the vast majority if Palestinians just want to live peaceful lives with the same rights as anyone else

As to saying ' how brave' the Palestinian protesters are - they are caught between Hamas and Israel. I imagine it is less about bravery and more about desperation.

I actually understand why Israel is doing what it is as it is in an incredibly difficult and dangerous situation but they are knowingly choosing to slaughter children and many innocent civilians as the price of Israeli safety. I'd have more time for Israeli leaders if they were honest about the fact rather than painting all Palestinians as Hamas sympathisers to justify their actions .

Thus, as a privileged, white liberal I continue to implore Israel to look for better solutions by protesting the bombing of Gaza whilst at the same time understanding that Israel is in a bind. I undertamd the peoblem for Israel but If we stop shining a light on what they are doing and stop trying to hold them to account, they may stop even trying to find a better solution than mass indicrimate murder of large numbers of Palestinians.

That is why I protest the bombings in Gaza

That is so sad.

Any chance they might lose gheir gril.on their power and control and they are looking for a way of keeping hold and suppressing.

So sad. The protesters in Gaza are very brave.

Yes it does but @Whatsinanamehey posts links like this on every single thread about the conflict. We all acknowledge it is appalling what is happening to civilians, but this thread is trying to focus on a different angle which is the extreme bravery of Palestinians in Gaza for daring to revolt against Hamas and the hope that gives us that the Hamas position can be weakened from within.

They post link after link about IDF violence but nothing about Hamas violence, even when Hamas are attacking their own people.

To be fair @bumblingbovine49 the vast majority may still support Hamas for all we know so it's too soon to say that is a lie.

Most of us are just glad to see some protests from local people in Gaza against Hamas because we haven't seen it before - all we have seen up until very recently is them celebrating Hamas actions.

Why should Israel stop the war for a religious celebration for their enemy, when their enemy attacked and deliberately started this war on Simchat Torah which is day of celebration for Israelis? Were you outraged about that?

It is horrific and very sad if any children were killed or injured due to being put in danger or used as human shields by the scum which is Hamas, the other multiple terrorist groups, and their supporters.

Even sadder IMO is that those children would probably be alive if the protests and outrage around the world had been against Hamas for the barbaric atrocities they carried out which led to this war and to return the hostages. The only reason this war is dragging on is due them being bolstered and embolden by support they are receiving from Jew haters around the world. There’s no benefit to them
in surrendering and releasing all their leverage, and it’s absolutely in their interests for civilians, especially children, to continue to be killed.

Maybe the Gazans protesting against Hamas wouldn’t have lost their lives either.

The only reason this war is dragging on is due them being bolstered and embolden by support they are receiving from Jew haters around the world.

That may not help but the reason the war is going on is because Netanyahu needs it to in order to stay in power.

Fuck Hamas sensible folks were right all along

This is horrendous. Too little focus on Hamas.

Long story short: nobody who genuinely supports Palestinian liberation has even the slightest issue with Palestinians protesting - against Hamas, against the PA/Fatah, against Israel and the occupation or, for all I care, against factory farming!

Self-determination, liberation, surely, means that Palestinians get to support and oppose whomever and whatever they like - like the rest of us, too! They should get to be leftists, rightists, neoliberals, islamists, ... you name it! That is what emancipation means! Palestinians are not a monolith!

But nobody who genuinely supports Palestinian liberation takes the position that Palestinians ought to be freed from, in this case, Hamas (alternatively: the PA) but should be happy about Israeli occupation either.

Simple as!

In this sense: I support the protesters! I also supported the protesters against Israel!

"Hamas operatives kidnapped, tortured and executed a 22-year-old Palestinian man who participated in last week’s wave of protests against the terror group, according to his family.

Oday Nasser Al Rabay’s body was left in front of his family’s home over the weekend. On Saturday, many dozens were filmed participating in his funeral procession, shouting, “Hamas out"

Sad. Hamas don't want westerners seeing this uprising.

It shows how Hamas are trying to control the narrative. Horrible crackdown on protest but quite happy for propaganda to be leaked world wide of it serves their interest. It is up to the media to report fairly on this.

No it isn’t. Only if you’re going to pretend those marches are pro-Hamas.

It isn’t a welcome development that Palestinian civilians are protesting against Hamas in Gaza?

Pro Palestinian marchers have been known to wave placards supporting Hamas @kirinm as well as swastikas - there were arrests made at a central London march earlier this year.

I’m not by any means suggesting that is what most people attend the marches for but you can’t really deny some are pro Hamas.

Your post literally said the pro Hamas marchers will be confused because they’ll be more pro Hamas than Gaza. So what did you mean then?

I hope they overturn Hamas and elect liberal leaders with Western values of democracy and freedom including for women but I will probably have to eat my hat before they do that....

Everyone else seemed to understand my post apart from you & one other person so I suggest you read it again or practice your comprehension skills.

She literally said some of them would be. Did you not notice the use of 'some'?

Netanyahu has stated that Hamas leaders will be allowed to leave Gaza and the plan will be voluntary migration as per Trump.

Let’s hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later so this dreadful war can end and Palestinian children can live out the rest of their childhoods in peace free from Hamas’s barbarous regime and the never ending cycle of conflict.

I noted some videos of Gazans wanting US intervention.

I can’t quite believe Israel will let Hamas leaders walk with no further consequences though?

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1906325482120860029

Because at the centre of this for the relevant people isn't justice or safety - it's about power and expansion to create a long-desired single state in which Palestine and Palestinians do not exist. Trump's plan has not been for voluntary migration. It's for forced displacement of people from their homeland, with no right to ever return there.

Oh come on, enough of these tired old tropes.

If Israel wanted all the land because Jews are greedy, evil, want to wipe out Palestinians, want to run the world/do run the world (insert blood libel of choice), they could have had it decades ago. They had good reason to annex Gaza and the West Bank in 1967. Why didn’t they? Even if it was deemed illegal in the world’s eyes, why would Israel care? They have been breaking international law since 1948 haven’t they?

Are you intimating that the Jews used their special mind lasers to force the Palestinians to carry out the horrific atrocities of Oct 7th, to kidnap hundreds of civilians, so they could start a war and take the land?

How do you think any other country would have reacted to Oct 7th? Do you think they wouldn’t have gone to war?

Don't wars cause displacement? Why would this/should this war be different?

If the Palestinians had declared themselves a legal state, they would have the right of return wouldn’t they? Why didn’t they?

<Disclaimer - I mean no offence to Jewish people. Just trying to convey how ridiculous some of the arguments on here are>