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Conflict in the Middle East

Breaking News - Shiri Bibas has not been returned

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AniBocha · 20/02/2025 23:38

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-says-it-has-not-received-hostages-remains-and-hamas-handed-over-unidentified-body-13313681

As if the anguish isn't enough!

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Yogre · 21/02/2025 19:36

AniBocha · 21/02/2025 18:41

When the terrorists organisation that is the hamas health ministry indicate civilian deaths there are no such outcries by pro gazan supporters about the fact these are unverified.

Because the useful idiots are just that, idiots.

Hamas can accurately tell that 2001.5 people have died in the last two hours...don't think about the fact it takes coordinated effort and sometimes many weeks for a civilised government to count the dead from disasters on that scale.

It has been surprising to see the amount of people that first fell for terrorist propaganda spread online (thankfully most seem to be snapping out if it as the months go on, many just in the last day or two).

They are so blinded by hate that they cannot accept the barbaric terrorist scum are anything but poor misled angry little lambs.

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 19:44

Abhorrent and cruel, and the way the little children died

I'm so sad and angry

How did Hamas say they had died? Earlier, did they release a statement

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 19:46

Just read back

They lied?

BaMamma · 21/02/2025 19:48

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 19:46

Just read back

They lied?

It's what they do.

coxesorangepippin · 21/02/2025 19:53

I can't get over the baying horde when those poor confins were released

Am I missing something? Those are people, human beings in there

coxesorangepippin · 21/02/2025 19:54

Years ago, probably 40 years ago when I was a teenager and had hopes that the world would be a much better place in the future, I

^

Same reflection

Paniconthedancefloor · 21/02/2025 20:33

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inamarina · 21/02/2025 20:34

LoremIpsumCici · 21/02/2025 19:25

No. I am waiting for Abu Kabir’s forensic report. I am not believing one narrative over another.

Are you equally sceptical about the numbers of civilian deaths published by the Health Ministry in Gaza?

upinaballoon · 21/02/2025 21:17

EdithStourton · 21/02/2025 19:00

x-post with @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Thank you, both. I've learned something there.

EsmaCannonball · 21/02/2025 21:19

The first wife of Helen Bailey's murderer was cremated and yet, many years after her death, pathologists were able to establish that she had either been strangled or suffocated from brain tissue that she had donated to medical science. There are multiple ways to ascertain strangulation.

That aside, the Conflict in the Middle East board brings out the most despicable people on Mumsnet. Honestly, the absolute worst.

Liv999 · 21/02/2025 21:36

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She's not defending anything though, she's said both sides lie which is a fact

Bells3032 · 21/02/2025 21:46

LoremIpsumCici · 21/02/2025 18:53

The death tolls are heavily scrutinised by outside experts though. Last year a lancet study estimated that the deaths are likely undercounted by a factor of 4
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3.pdf

Firstly, figures haven't been highly scrutinised because everyone has been working off the same list - one provided by Hamas.

Secondly, that is not a Lancet "study". it is a letter to the Lancet that was published. There is no peer review process in this article. It's just a letter with no evidence to back it up. It also says "if diseases etc take hold" and those diseases didn't. you wanna know why? Cos Israel rolled out an innoculation programme. I could also write the Lancet and claim that 70 million Jews will be murdered if they don't get rid of Hamas. Which is obviously total rubbish - though only due to the fact there are only 15m Jews worldwide

AmadeustheAlpaca · 21/02/2025 21:47

EmilyDickinson · 21/02/2025 13:16

It must be heartbreaking for the families of hostages to know that their loved ones are dead. It must be terrible to wait to receive their bodies and then for the wrong body to be given to them must give cause incredible sorrow and anger.

It troubles me though that the firm belief seems to be that Shiri Bibas and her children were murdered and the body of a Palestinian woman was deliberately handed over. That may be true - I don’t know. I feel like we should try and wait for more information. I don’t really understand what could possibly be gained by handing over the wrong body?

Is it possible that Shiri Bibas was killed in an Israeli airstrike as thousands of people living in Gaza have been? Bombs do not distinguish between hostages and Palestinians. I understand that Hamas has said for a year that she died in an air strike. Is it possible when retrieving the bodies from the rubble it was not possible (without DNA testing) to tell who was who?

No I don't believe in ethnic cleaning, what nonsense are you referring to? Palestinians have said that their mission statement is to get rid of Jews and Infidels. As an Infidel I don't want to be murdered or ethnically cleansed.
It's been proven that the beautiful Bibas children were murdered by someone with their bare hands and even if they'd been killed by an airstrike - which they weren't - Hanas would still be the murderers because they were the ones holding them hostage against their will.
Cut out the crap @EmilyDickinson

guaranteedpersonality · 21/02/2025 21:48

To celebrate as they did, in the repulsive handover, knowing that they were deliberately smashing the one possible tiny bit of comfort left to Yarden Bibas, that Ariel and Kfir were with their mum, reveals a psychopathic level of sadism.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 21/02/2025 22:10

No I don't believe in ethnic cleaning, what nonsense are you referring to? Palestinians have said that their mission statement is to get rid of Jews and Infidels. As an Infidel I don't want to be murdered or ethnically cleansed.
It's been proven that the beautiful Bibas children were murdered by someone with their bare hands and even if they'd been killed by an airstrike - which they weren't - Hanas would still be the murderers because they were the ones holding them hostage against their will.
Cut out the crap @EmilyDickinson

AmadeustheAlpaca · 21/02/2025 22:11

Apologies, I've posted twice.

EmilyDickinson · 21/02/2025 22:29

Hi Amadeus,

I haven’t made any reference to ethnic cleansing. I’ve only posted once on this thread as quoted by you above. Perhaps you’re mixing me up with someone else’s post?

My post preceded the latest statement by IDS re their forensic examination.

I’m really sorry if my post upset you. It certainly wasn’t my intention. As you have told me to “cut the crap” which to be honest feels pretty aggressive, I’m going to leave this thread

AniBocha · 21/02/2025 22:57

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw20d3l4jpo
There are reports another body has been handed to the Red Cross by Hamas and Hamas now claim this is Shiri Bibas.

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Thisandthatandthensome · 21/02/2025 23:56

EdithStourton · 21/02/2025 18:57

<head explodes>
Hamas and their allies:
murdered, in cold blood, people at a music festival
murdered entire families in their homes, including mutilating family members in front of each other
paraded the body of a young woman around on the back of a truck (Shani Louk, if you've forgotten her)
boasted of killing Jews ('Mother! Mother! I have killed Jews with my own hands!')
carried people away as hostages, including children
held them as hostages, some for over 500 days (still holds some)
tortured and starved some of their hostages
allowed no contact between the hostages and their families, who didn't know if they were alive or dead
said hostages were dead when they were alive

And now, we have some people on this thread going, oh no, Hamas and their allies might NOT have murdered the Bibas children - we know the Jews IDF tell lies!
And you:
Oh, they might have mixed the bodies up my mistake....
Can you really think that is the most likely scenario, given the behaviour of Hamas et al of late?

Years ago, probably 40 years ago when I was a teenager and had hopes that the world would be a much better place in the future, I read a poem called 'The Murder of Bellet and Hannah'. It was written in what is now Germany in about 1200, by a (Jewish) man whose wife and daughters were slaughtered by rampaging Crusaders. It has stuck in my mind ever since. And 800-odd years after it was written, Jewish children are yet again being killed entirely because they are Jews, and as no doubt happened then, people are making excuses for the murderers.

Go figure.

NB I'm not Jewish. But I am sickened by that spectacle of coffins.

Its unbelievable isn't it.

So easy to believe terrorists. So difficult to believe Israel. Israel release autopsy but it cannot be trusted. Hamas release anything and its immediately believed.

Even though hamas live streamed October 7th, people still call it resistance. They watch the innocent Palestinian people rejoice at the broken body of Shani Louk, the celebrating around the coffins of dead babies and excuse after excuse.

Look at yourselves. Look deep into yourselves. You are enabling and supporting hamas to keep this hatred going. The marchers too. Useful idiots. You are also not helping the innocent Palestinian people you claim you support

Thisandthatandthensome · 22/02/2025 00:04

LoremIpsumCici · 21/02/2025 19:04

So can a falling piece of rubble to the neck.
You’re assuming strangulation btw.

The phrasing of “killed with their bare hands” is not how a forensic pathologist would describe any cause of death. It is too click baity and sensationalist.

I am sorry, but I too would like to hear from a forensics expert before being sure. The first responders to Oct 7th got a few causes of death wrong as well. It’s not a case of lying, but not knowing exactly what you are seeing as a layman.

You remind me of the posters that wanted proof that women and girls were raped on October 7th and wouldn't believe their accounts without proof. Obviously Jewish women just lie.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 22/02/2025 00:24

This revelation today has really sickened me.
Outside my train station there's been Palestinian flag waving, leaflet handling well intentioned leftie idiots that seem to be a permanent presence. I've always politely declined, today I felt rage at their stupidity. When one elder gent tried to give me a leaflet I actually shouted "Hamas are murderous bastards" before calmly crossing the road to the bus stop.
Made me feel a bit better.

inamarina · 22/02/2025 00:31

Thisandthatandthensome · 21/02/2025 23:56

Its unbelievable isn't it.

So easy to believe terrorists. So difficult to believe Israel. Israel release autopsy but it cannot be trusted. Hamas release anything and its immediately believed.

Even though hamas live streamed October 7th, people still call it resistance. They watch the innocent Palestinian people rejoice at the broken body of Shani Louk, the celebrating around the coffins of dead babies and excuse after excuse.

Look at yourselves. Look deep into yourselves. You are enabling and supporting hamas to keep this hatred going. The marchers too. Useful idiots. You are also not helping the innocent Palestinian people you claim you support

It’s mind boggling, isn’t it?
All that horrible footage from October 7th, recorded and posted by the terrorists themselves, and people still try to somehow explain it away - ‘Oooohhh, no wonder they saw red after all they’ve had to endure!’
What on earth excuses what Hamas and their helpers did on October 7th?

Liv999 · 22/02/2025 04:51

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You said maybe Trump had the right idea? I presume you meant about ethnically cleansing Gaza? However I'm glad to see you think it's nonsense

BaMamma · 22/02/2025 05:08

inamarina · 22/02/2025 00:31

It’s mind boggling, isn’t it?
All that horrible footage from October 7th, recorded and posted by the terrorists themselves, and people still try to somehow explain it away - ‘Oooohhh, no wonder they saw red after all they’ve had to endure!’
What on earth excuses what Hamas and their helpers did on October 7th?

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There is no excuse.

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