BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

@AnxiousRose Right. Ok.

What exactly are you incredibly proud of?
A poster made a valid point about civilians participating in October 7th.
There’s video footage proving it.
Another poster mentioned the Bibas children who were strangled.
There’s forensic evidence proving that.
Why are you saying it’s derailment and inflammatory speak to mention it?

I am able to read and I know what the pp's have said.

I have written above what I am proud of so you can read that.

I have never mentioned inflammatory speak.

I shall watch 'the road to 7th october' documentary. I think it was made by the same woman who made 'the fifty years war'. That was very informative.

@AnxiousRose
You were derisive when I recommended the current trilogy of documentaries on BBC, The Road to October, 7th and which the Guardian awarded five stars. You hadn't seen the documentary but you put me down about it. I am no expert but I try to educate myself.
Your aim, I imagine, is to chase ordinary posters like me away from this thread. It works because I feel silly for suggesting something perfectly legitimate.
I don't know why you feel proud for putting down ordinary posters for daring to get involved. It probably works but it doesn't fit with my belief that both sides need to listen more and have some empathy for the views of ordinary people caught up in the conflict.
I really believe that when both sides slam into the other side, it just makes people more entrenched in their views and they refuse to compromise. There has to be compromise.
I know I suggest a lot of things but again I suggest you read Apeirogon by Colum McCann (Irish I think). It was shortlisted for the Booker and was inspirational for the huge effort that these two bereaved Dads and their families ( Palestinian and Israeli) made to understand each other.
It gave me hope for an end to the conflict. I hate the constant sniping on this thread. There is no movement towards understanding the other side.

Okay, so it was another poster who mentioned inflammatory speak.
The same one who claimed pp’s post describing what happened on October 7th and to the Bibas children sounded like propaganda.
In response to that @Lolapusht posted links in support of pp’s claim about the atrocities, and you said she was on the wrong thread. Why?

Because there is a thread about the Bibas children, this one is about the BBC documentary.

So what? No need to police what people are talking about.
Besides, it wasn’t just the Bibas children pp mentioned.
The point was that by all accounts civilians had participated in October 7th and the abduction of the Bibas children.
Do you think that’s completely irrelevant in the context of a documentary about civilians in Gaza?

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@Hitherzither I am sorry you felt I was derisive of your recommendation and I apologise for that. It was not you who said the BBC were not a reliable source so I should not have questioned you about it.

I am not going to read back through everything but I can see that I thanked you for the book recommendation and agreed with you about what we would like to see in Gaza. I have actually ordered the book to read so I am grateful for the recommendation.

I too am sick of the constant sniping on this thread. My words are constantly twisted and I have numerous times been accused of being a Hamas supporter. It is never my intention to push anybody off the thread, as I said a few moments ago I think it's incredibly important that we respect and try to understand other people's opinions.

Thank you @AnxiousRose
I am not well read about the Conflict but I really cannot see a way forward. There has to be a more positive approach. I don't know what ai am talking about but,during the process leading to the Good Friday agreement, didn't Tony Blair keep fighting to find just one thing that both sides agreed on and then keep on developing that and ignoring all negativity until they had an agreement.?
I know Tony Blair has been involved unsuccessfully in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. You need someone so determined, so positive and who makes it clear that in the end resolution will be found.
I do think giving Palestinian youngsters the opportunity to study for a degree at international universities would be hugely beneficial . The world can afford a rolling programme to take those wanting to participate and teach them skills. There needs to be something for youngsters that isn't death and destruction but gives real hope for the future.

@Hitherzither yes I agree.
In the case of NI I think Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern were both so determined and in the end the majority of people just wanted peace. It did not come without very difficult compromise from both sides.

No shame is the least of it.

Do you care about law? Look up annexation law. People are inherently entitled to land!

How about I say you have no inherent right to your property? If I use force - I am entitled to your belongings/ house / land.

If you had any sense - you would be upset, no?

I think this lady knows a little bit about international law than most and I do think it’s unsurprising that none of the claims about Israel over the past 77 years have ever been actually tried in an international court (someone correct me if I’m wrong?). Heard nothing about the recent ICC case against Netanyahu for quite a while now. The US obviously does not agree with the ICC, he’s been there a few times since the arrest warrant was issued.

The situation with Israel is basically smoke and mirrors. false claims and deception IMO. Nothing has ever been proven in international law for a reason.

I understood some of the Palestinians were evicted from their homes because they were tenants and the land was owned by either Jewish families or entities bought before or after the 1948 war?

PhoenixResurrected during the Mandate years many Jews did buy land from the Arabs. They also built Tel Aviv, reclaiming it from the sea.

I’ve also seen an interesting interview with Natasha Hausdorff just the other day where she explains it quite well:

https://x.com/koshercockney/status/1856290306632691933

It’s the first time I’ve heard about the concept she’s talking about (Uti possidetis juris).
In relation to Israel, the Wiki page on this rule of law says the following:

The doctrine has been asserted in relation to Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and thereby gave up their sovereignty over Gaza. With the Oslo Accords Israel gave the Palestinians territorial jurisdiction, although Israel was allowed to maintain security control pending the conclusion of final status talks. These talks were, however, never finalized.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis_juris

Heard nothing about the recent ICC case against Netanyahu for quite a while now. The US obviously does not agree with the ICC, he’s been there a few times since the arrest warrant was issued.

The new German government doesn’t seem to agree either. Friedrich Merz invited Netanyahu to visit and said he would find a way for him to do so without being arrested.
www.reuters.com/world/europe/election-winner-merz-invites-netanyahu-germany-says-israelis-office-2025-02-24/

@PhoenixResurrected
Are you suggesting annexation of Gaza by Trump or Israel would be legal - as @Wildflowers99 has been suggesting ethnic cleansing of the area, not Jewish people buying bits of land in Gaza from the Palestinians with the progress of time. Big difference.

I would love for Netanyahu to attempt this. Like a game of chicken. He will clearly need to fly over other European countries air space? He had to avoid Europe and take an unusual flight path to the US,

Perhaps we should also get Starmer to invite him, or Canada or any of the other countries which would like to adhere to international law.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr4gvydxeno.amp

Well, whether you’d love it or not, I’m sure the German government will figure something out.

I wait with bated breath….😂

Just for a moment there was sensible discourse developing 🙁

…and that’s why we can’t have nice things 🙄

Sorry @Lolapusht - not caught up fully with thread. As you were..

Absolutely.. it’s horrific I’m glad there’s a review because of possibly no due diligence … all the lefty luvvies demanding it is put back on even though it’s being investigated ..usual suspects too

someone from the BBC has potentially paid terrorists from our money .. if so then this is beyond the pail