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BBC documentary - children of Gaza

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SmokeRingsOfMyMind · 18/02/2025 20:55

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/feb/17/gaza-how-to-survive-a-warzone-review-these-incredible-children-offer-a-sliver-of-hope

Did anyone see this last night? Heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure.

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Everexpanding · 28/02/2025 07:19

PhoenixResurrected · 28/02/2025 03:20

This is horrific but temps in Gaza have been nowhere near freezing even at night, even with wind chill factor. You can easily google the last two weeks temperatures.

How on earth could a baby get frostbite as stated in another report? Something very wrong here and I sincerely hope these babies weren’t sacrificed as ‘martyrs’ as that is too terrible to contemplate but not out of the scope of Palestinian terrorists who strangle kidnapped babies to death and mutilate their bodies.

Just like the NICU babies who were apparently completely abandoned by every single staff member and their parents in the Gazan hospital for two weeks, whose decaying bodies just happened to be stumbled upon by a journalist after being directed there by locals who were aware of the bodies but left them there with no dignity. No health care professional or parent would totally desert babies in a war zone, without even checking they were safe and evacuated, even if directed to by the opposing force. Just think about that for a second. The hospital was not even bombed anyway as clearly seen in the video footage where it was intact.

Why are the Palestinians not calling on their government to surrender and release the Israeli hostages immediately, and why not for the past 16 months, so this evil can end and their government can be held accountable for the death and destruction it has caused to the Palestinian people?

this post is really shocking, you should be ashamed the mental gymnastics you are going through, to deny the effects of Israel’s actions and hold Palestinian civilians responsible for the deaths of their own children is truly astounding.

VolcanoJapan · 28/02/2025 07:19

BooToYouHalloween · 27/02/2025 22:30

How about an actual British hostage saying she was held at UNWRA facilities? or does “believe women” not count when it comes to Jews?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj91ygv803xo

This won't count, the useful idiots never believe women were raped, witness testimonials, hostage accounts if from Jewish or Israeli people. Naturally, whatever Hamas release is believed immediately and shared widely.

Everexpanding · 28/02/2025 07:35

VolcanoJapan · 28/02/2025 07:19

This won't count, the useful idiots never believe women were raped, witness testimonials, hostage accounts if from Jewish or Israeli people. Naturally, whatever Hamas release is believed immediately and shared widely.

I think many posters on this thread have expressed their horror at the events of October 7th, they just also recognise the suffering of Palestinians and don’t think those events somehow give Israel a free card to carry out collective punishment, war crimes/ genocide

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 28/02/2025 07:40

Liv999 · 28/02/2025 07:05

It is if you're a tiny baby living in a tent ffs

It is! Nights have been getting quite cold in Gaza for the last week. It was 1 degree C early Tuesday morning. No wonder babies have been dying!

t.co/EUmC0lZS2t

BBC documentary - children of Gaza
BooToYouHalloween · 28/02/2025 07:47

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 06:18

If you read the information in the BBC article I shared above you will see that according to meteorological websites, the night-time temperature in Gaza has regularly fallen below 10C (50F) over the past two weeks.

But unfortunately it is no surprise that the attemps to discredit any information which is sympathetic to Gazans continue.

Edited

The BBC are entirely discredited when it comes to Gaza reporting now. So no, I won’t take this as gospel thanks.

BelleHathor · 28/02/2025 07:56

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 28/02/2025 07:40

It is! Nights have been getting quite cold in Gaza for the last week. It was 1 degree C early Tuesday morning. No wonder babies have been dying!

t.co/EUmC0lZS2t

Thanks and agree, it's the same in neighbouring Lebanon where it's actually been snowing.

Plus the fact that most Gazans are living in tattered tents or semi destroyed structures. The agreed to in the ceasefire mobile homes and new tents have also not been allowed to enter in sufficient numbers.

statsfun · 28/02/2025 07:59

Liv999 · 28/02/2025 07:05

It is if you're a tiny baby living in a tent ffs

Truth matters.

Scirocco · 28/02/2025 08:05

With regards hypothermia as a cause of death for babies, this is feasible.

Babies cannot regulate their own body temperature effectively, so they're more susceptible to external factors and can experience hypothermia more easily than older children or adults. In populations such as the displaced population in Gaza, babies have multiple risk factors including lack of shelter (a fair number of babies are effectively having to sleep rough), lack of appropriate clothing, malnutrition and lower body fat percentages, other health issues, etc.

Environmentally, the low temperatures may on paper look not that bad, but those temperatures are then complicated by wind and water. Again, a lack of shelter means people are being exposed for a prolonged period, and at a time when they're going to be moving less and have a drop in body temperature anyway (overnight and asleep).

Adequate shelter and nutrition are so important. Without them, babies and young children die of hypothermia in conflict and disaster zones (this isn't new or unique to Palestine). I actually find it really sad that people are blaming parents and feeding into the idea of parents from certain ethnic or religious groups being less competent or committed to their children. The majority of parents will be doing all they can to try to protect their babies - but in conflict and disaster zones, infant mortality is high.

Hitherzither · 28/02/2025 08:07

A reminder this thread is about a documentary, Children of Gaza. I am just listening to the Today programme on Radio 4. They are talking about the huge damage that has been done to the BBC's reputation for impartiality because of the documentary. What some people don't see will be the ongoing effects to reporting from Gaza. Many people will now say dismissively that BBC news from the region is fake news. That the BBC is a puppet news source for Hamas. The fact that it was discussed in America at yesterday's news conference is so undermining for the BBC as a news source. Senior Leadership will not allow this kind of reporting again.
It may have been made with the best of intentions but the cries of fake news from the BBC will hang around for a long time. It will damage the reputation for independent reporting from Gaza for a long time.

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:10

@Scirocco I'm not saying that parents in Gaza won't look after their children. I'm saying that of course they will - so this doesn't make sense.

I know they say that the first casualty of war is Truth, but there are so many lies coming out of Gaza, so much propaganda, that I'm taking nothing at face value.

Scirocco · 28/02/2025 08:20

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:10

@Scirocco I'm not saying that parents in Gaza won't look after their children. I'm saying that of course they will - so this doesn't make sense.

I know they say that the first casualty of war is Truth, but there are so many lies coming out of Gaza, so much propaganda, that I'm taking nothing at face value.

Sadly, based on my experience, it's probably only due to parental efforts that the numbers of children dying from hypothermia has been this low (I'm not meaning that dismissively - simply that this is a not-uncommon cause of death among displaced and vulnerable populations in such settings).

Liv999 · 28/02/2025 08:21

statsfun · 28/02/2025 07:59

Truth matters.

You can choose to turn a blind eye and not believe it but unfortunately it is the truth

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:29

Liv999 · 28/02/2025 08:21

You can choose to turn a blind eye and not believe it but unfortunately it is the truth

And you can choose to seize on any terrorist propaganda you see, and use it to make snide comments against the Jews.

Very little of the propaganda you're using is the truth.

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 08:31

Everexpanding · 28/02/2025 07:19

this post is really shocking, you should be ashamed the mental gymnastics you are going through, to deny the effects of Israel’s actions and hold Palestinian civilians responsible for the deaths of their own children is truly astounding.

Absoutley, that people are straight to discredit and ridicule anybody who shows sympathy for the innocent people in Gaza is disgraceful. We have been labelled " useful idiots" in the last few posts as a small example. Supporting the Israeli ambition of silencing the people of Gaza by not allowing any independent observers or jornalists into the region and labelling everything coming out as propaganda. But thank you to all those who contine the highlight the plight that those in Gaza are continuing to suffer at the hands of Israel. And I am also aware that there are innocent people in Israel who are suffering massively as a result of Hamas terror and despite being accused of doing so on multiple occasions I have never tried to deny or discreit this.

Liv999 · 28/02/2025 08:32

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:29

And you can choose to seize on any terrorist propaganda you see, and use it to make snide comments against the Jews.

Very little of the propaganda you're using is the truth.

This isn't propaganda though, and no one is making snide comments about the Jews, its about tiny babies dying of hypothermia, have some compassion

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:34

You don't help the people of Gaza by repeating terrorist propaganda @anxiousrose , nor by marching with terrorist apologists.

You make the future of Gaza's people worse.

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:41

Liv999 · 28/02/2025 08:32

This isn't propaganda though, and no one is making snide comments about the Jews, its about tiny babies dying of hypothermia, have some compassion

No. The thread is about terrorist propaganda.

@everexpanding tried to deflect from it by saying it doesn't matter how much Hamas lies.... and did that with a lie about Jews killing babies ffs.

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 09:00

The contents of the documentary are not propaganda,it is very much the lived experience of the children of Gaza.

statsfun · 28/02/2025 09:03

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 09:00

The contents of the documentary are not propaganda,it is very much the lived experience of the children of Gaza.

Created by Hamas, and pushing their agenda. It's exactly propaganda.

EllaDisenchanted · 28/02/2025 09:07

statsfun · 28/02/2025 06:09

@phoenixresurrected is right though, this doesn't make sense.

Temperatures are dropping to 11C overnight, 17C in the day. That isn't dangerously cold.

From a quick Google
Hypothermia can develop with prolonged exposure to temperatures under 10°C, or after prolonged immersion in cold water of temperatures of less than 20°C

Presumably a newborn baby would succumb more quickly. But who wouldn't wrap a young baby up and hold them within their own clothing, to give them body warmth? That's the instinctive thing for anyone to do.

What's going on?

To be fair Stats, I’m about 55km from Gaza, in a relatively shielded area (doesn’t get as cold as Jerusalem) and it’s been freezing at night over the last week so I can easily believe it’s been dangerously cold for babies.

The issue for me is that I’ve seen a clearly AI image of a baby apparently freezing to death (baby is naked in a nappy, mum is fully wrapped up, baby has a hand for a foot and 6 fingers, mum has 2 left hands) and it’s all over social media as ‘proof’ of babies dying of hypothermia. It’s this kind of thing which keeps discrediting real news. When I read about the babies dying of hypothermia but then this picture is offered as evidence it’s very hard to know what to believe. (Ie is the story real despite the fake image, or is it propaganda)

like with the documentary, where jihad against Jews was mistranslated (I very much doubt it was unintentional), Im finding it’s getting harder and harder to trust any news source, whether MSM or social media.

as I said, given the temp at night here, I can well imagine it’s been dangerously cold. I sincerely hope however that it IS fake news, as the alternative doesn’t bear thinking about 💔

Everexpanding · 28/02/2025 09:12

statsfun · 28/02/2025 08:41

No. The thread is about terrorist propaganda.

@everexpanding tried to deflect from it by saying it doesn't matter how much Hamas lies.... and did that with a lie about Jews killing babies ffs.

i think you were the one accusing Palestinians of martyring their own children, at the end of the day children are dying that is my concern

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 09:14

You can continue to deny the lived experience and suffering of the children of Gaza and attempt to ridicule and discredit anybody with sympathy for innocent Palestians.

But unfortunately accept it or not the people of Gaza are enduring catastrophic suffering at the hands if the Israeli government who are attempting to silence them.

YogiBear19 · 28/02/2025 09:19

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 09:00

The contents of the documentary are not propaganda,it is very much the lived experience of the children of Gaza.

Have you not actually read any of this thread @AnxiousRose ?

You are still defending the documentary as truth and fact. You are continuing to spread the news reports coming out of Hamas via the BBC and other such startlingly biased UK media as gospel.

Are you aware that Hamas' raison d'être is to eradicate every Jew from the Earth. And once that's done, everyone else is fair game.

Even the (seemingly Hamas supporting) BBC have had to admit to the documentary being Hamas propaganda. Yet still you go on.

statsfun · 28/02/2025 09:19

But unfortunately accept it or not the people of Gaza are enduring catastrophic suffering at the hands if the Israeli government of Hamas who are attempting to silence them benefitting from their suffering. Which they can only do due to lack of critical thinking by terrorist apologists.

Fixed that for you.

AnxiousRose · 28/02/2025 09:19

It is so tragic, all those innocent children in Gaza

And the attempted defemation of those standing up for the poor innocent children suffering at the hands of the Israeli government who are trying is silence them is disgraceful.

Most posters on this thread have been reasonable and willing to try to understand both sides. Because there are two sides, two sides to blame and innocent people on two sides suffering.

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