Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

@statsfun Eh? I'm agreeing with a poster who is basically saying the killing of all children is abhorrent and you're calling me a terrorist-apologist? I agree the only ones who killed those babies are Hamas, the only ones who killed 17, 400 innocent babies in Gaza are the IDF, equally as disgraceful, no child's life means more than any other

We see you.

You think it's funny.

You posted back on 9th February that Hamas are fighting for their country in the only way they know how. That's a direct quote from your words. Your post was deleted for obvious reasons. I have a screenshot.

I absolutely see you.

I think it's funny that you think you know so much about me when you know absolutely nothing, you said you wouldn't be replying to me any more and yet here we are, can't help yourself..

Ah so you really do care, now that's funny..

@Liv999

After seeing both the "publicity event" by Hamas on the release of these little children,s bodies, the placing of pro Hamas stickers on the children's coffins and the crowds of ordinary civilian Palestinians coming along to support this - then surely surely there must be at least a faint flicker of realisation by you that you are supporting the wrong side and the "bad guys.

If you can't see this then I genuinely believe that your indoctrination is so deep that you pose a real threat to the security of the UK.

I'm not supporting Hamas I agree they are despicable, I'm supporting the Palestinian people, the ordinary innocent people caught up in all of this, the mothers who still have babies lying under the rubble, Israel have committed several war crimes throughout this conflict yet people support them, why is the Palestinian people the "wrong side" do their lives not count?

Agree.

Furthermore, they aren't helping innocent civilians by not shouting for the removal of Hamas, they are enabling Hanas by their silence by not speaking out. Hamas love all that support. Well done 👏

What about the hundreds of ‘ordinary innocent people’ gathered at the release of hostages’ bodies yesterday?
They didn’t seem distraught by what they were witnessing.
Lots of smiling faces in the crowd, lots of people filming. Children dancing on the stage where the coffins had been.

‘Hamas fighting in the only way they know’ says it all really.

There are 2 million people in the Gaza Strip, were they all there yesterday? Are you saying there aren't any ordinary innocent Palestinians out of 2 million?
Are the Israeli people distraught by the thoughts of hundreds of innocent babies lying under mounds of rubble, yet to be discovered? It works both ways

I hope anyone on here who has made excuses for Hamas feels ashamed now .

I haven’t seen any Israeli cheering and dancing at the sight of Palestinian children’s coffins, no.
I didn’t say all two million living in Gaza were the same, but seeing hundreds of men, women and children celebrating coffins being paraded around is bad enough.
In what other society would you regard that behaviour as reasonable?

Then you need to refer back to the OP to understand the results of the poll which showed over 50% of Palestinians still supported hamas. What the world witnessed yesterday was some of those majority rejoicing at the despicable spectacle of bodies being paraded. No dignity, no respect, no compassion not even in death.

You put ordinary innocent Palestinians in inverted commas though, suggesting you believe there are no innocent Palestinians, which im hoping isnt true? A few hundred people is a big jump from 2 million, I'm presuming those who were celebrating coffins being paraded around were Hamas supporters and of course that is vile and should be condemned, but I don't think anyone has said otherwise?

People will be here to point out Israelis cheering bombing on the beach etc.
But what it seems impossible for them to get is that war is a reasonable reaction to invasion. Murdering, raping and hostage taking during peacetime is not a reasonable reaction to anything. There's no equivalency.
These people drawing any equivalency are believing exactly as Hamas wish them to. That Israel is as evil as Hamas. I'm mind-blown everyday that people fall for this Hamas propaganda.

Don't forget that Israel also supported Hamas when it suited them, Netanyahu himself supported them

@Liv999

Can you not see how the statement "Hamas fighting in the only way they know’ in the light of the publicity event over the bodies of a little child, a baby and their frightened mother is just morally wrong and at odds with decent human behaviour.

If you can't see this then I genuinely believe that your indoctrination is so deep that you pose a real threat to the security of the UK.

Absolutely. I do believe that exponentially more British people are slowly waking up and realising what these cheering, jeering processions truly mean.

People who would try to excuse, condone or nitpick arguments about why the atrocious barabric behaviour display that day isn't so bad really in context are a threat to the west.

The ones I’ve put in inverted commas where the ones celebrating at the sight of hostages’ coffins yesterday.
I don’t regard their behavior as ordinary and innocent, no.
A few hundred out of two million is comparable to about ten thousand out of the population of the UK.
I would be equally concerned if I saw ten thousand people in the UK treating coffins being paraded around as a nice day out, with music and dancing.

That’s not what the poll says though.

Hamas has only the support of a fifth of the population – a steep decline from a March 2024 PCPSR poll that showed majority support for Hamas in Gaza. In fact, the most frequent response on leadership was that no one truly represents the Palestinian people … So there is an evident leadership gap

What does supporting Israel over Palestine mean? Valuing some lives over others depending on where they come from ? Or what exactly? If you think on some badness scale that the Israeli government ranks over Hamas? What does this mean for you?

What do you think should happen now?

Gosh, good point. Hadn't thought about it like that 😬

I don't think anyone has said their behaviour was ordinary and innocent though? Ten thousand out of the population of the Uk is tiny though, I would also be concerned if I saw ten thousand people celebrating coffins being paraded around, however I wouldn't be so naive to think that the rest of the huge population of the UK would in any way support this

Yes, I was referring to the march 2024 poll, where the majority supported hamas. Things change... Now only 39% support the mass rape, murder and kidnapping of Israelis by hamas in the events of October 7th 2023. 39%! We're not talking insignificant numbers.