Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

It's exactly the same but some people choose to ignore that

I try to be neutral over the whole Gaza issue but today was too much.

How dare they try to blame Israel
for those babies deaths. They are the ones that dragged that family out of their home and forced them into Gaza at gunpoint. Then they have a sick little party over the bodies. I want to throw up, don’t they get how awful the optics are???

They really don't appear to understand how barbaric their actions and party and celebrations are. They are teaching innocent children the way forward. They will never stop attacking Israel as long as Hamas reigns supreme. Enabling that to happen makes people guilty too. Helping that continue by not protesting hamas go shows support for hamas. Hamas use that support.

I don’t believe anyone on here who says that they were neutral until [insert something Hamas did].

So you were neutral with Hind? Neutral through the leap day massacre? Neutral when October 7th happened? But this sends you over. Please. At least be honest.

Who were in these body bags? What were their names and why did Israel dump them instead of sending them back in a box?

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sends-scores-bodies-gaza-palestinians-demand-details-before-burying-them-2024-09-25/

No - It really isn’t the same at all .
Look at those coffins - of a mother and her two tiny children - amid Hamas celebrations and triumphalism.

There is absolutely no equivalence

This in a nutshell! It’s deplorable on another level ….crowing and celebrating sick beyond words

I am somewhat sympathetic to Palestinians believe it or not and felt conflicted over Oct 7. The 40 beheaded babies was an obvious fake even at the time. Hard to know what’s real and what’s not, however.

But Palestinians themselves support the worst sort of tactics and do themselves no favors with this kind of behavior. Just like when they were dancing around in a truck parading the body of a dead young woman around. Do they not understand how things like that look?

In what way were you conflicted over October 7th?

Children and families enjoying the "spectacle"

I have no words to describe how disgusted I am

Not 17000 children including babies killed; and more under the rubble? Suffocated to death, or with their heads or limbs severed, or burned; or alive in that state with their families wiped out, including of course their mothers?

It is all out of hell and these tiny children today a very particular symbol of all of the absolute horror. ALL of the horror.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/24/video-jewish-extremists-mocking-death-of-toddler-wedding-israel

In Germany, there is this woman, Karoline Preisler, who has been joining pro Palestine marches with a simple sign saying „rape is not resistance“ or holding up pictures of Israeli hostages.
Quite uncontroversial one would think, yet she’s been requiring police protection because of the numerous threats issued against her and her family.
It’s madness. What’s going on in those people’s minds?

You honestly cant see the difference between people dying horribly in a terrible war started by Hamas and the deaths of these hostages held for all this time as bargaining chips, released in a grotesque carnival of antisemitism? I just cant believe what I'm reading.

I personally think it's quite useful to hear this sort of perspective from someone who felt 'conflicted' on 7th October. It's an indication of how Hamas are shooting themselves in the foot.

It’s not just a “group of people” though, is it?
It looks like hundreds of civilians were watching, cheering, filming.
Several have brought their kids to watch the horrible spectacle too.

Disgusting behaviour by extremists, but the article you’ve linked also says:

“The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, immediately condemned its “shocking images”, which he said displayed “the real face of a group that poses danger to Israeli society and security”.”

Not quite what Hamas are doing.

Those same people celebrate every year. Not just in 2015? Does this mean all of Israel is like that? That’s the point I was trying to make. Over and over people on this thread are asking “Don’t the Palestinians see how it makes them look?”

Nobody thinks that all Israelis are saints. Why would you expect that? You get nutcases in every country.

30% of Gazans support Hamas. Support those evil monsters and their barbarity.

30%.

Conflicted in that I would have wanted to side with the Palestinians. It is clearly their land and they shouldn’t be pushed off or marginalized in the land of their fathers.

But 10/7 seemed too savage. It’s one thing to attack military barracks; it is quite another to attack young party-goers and massacre families.

Then the response by Israel again seemed too brutal. Entire families snuffed out, only because they were too close to a target.

Idk just seeing that mother clutching her babies, doing what she could
to protect them. All in vain. It sickened me. Why couldn’t Hamas have fucking left them alone? Why take babies as hostages? What did they possibly think they could accomplish?

There are hundreds of tiny bodies still buried underneath the rubble in Gaza also, who are still waiting for a proper burial, and yet people on here are still supporting Israel and its war crimes, its exactly the same thing, innocent children being punished because of war hungry idiots on both sides

Good on her. That she requires police protection is very telling and shows that the marchers support hamas. Why else would they need to harm her for stating a simple fact of 'rape is not resistance ' if they agreed with that statement. The marchers obviously think rape is ok then otherwise she would be safe.

Exactly. People trying to physically attack someone for simply stating that rape isn’t resistance tells you quite a lot about them.

It does. Quite like the hamas fighters that they support.

Is it about how they look, they may not care how they look?
They fully believe they are right and better, they don't consider the Jews as people.
Why else are thousands of Palestinians shown in the streets celebrating over the death of innocents including a baby?
For those saying the Palestinians still need to recover bodies, why is the effort not directed there?
Is it more important to celebrate killing of your neighbour then to stop and mourn?