Do people fully support Palestine?

[Dawk]

I read this article and the scales fell from my eyes a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

I hadn’t realised that a majority of Gazans want a conservative Islamist state and the complete destruction of Israel to create an Islamic state covering the whole country (from the river to the sea I guess). They also support violence and even the sacrifice of their own lives.

I am appalled by the destruction and loss of life in Gaza, but having read this article I can’t understand why support for Palestine isn’t more caveated. Why are people waving flags and supporting Gaza so unconditionally? When you look at the polling described in the article it seems fairly clear that many/most don’t actually want peace unless it follows the complete destruction of Israel.

For me it’s a bit like supporting Iran. I would never wave the Iranian flag around because of what the country stands for. In this case I am horrified by the scale of destruction wrought by the IDF so support Palestine completely in that respect but I’d never wave the flag or chant the slogans.

If you consider yourself ‘pro-Palestine’, what do you think of the ideology described in the article?

@Enough4me It is horrendous. Those babies should never have been taken hostage and the 'spectacle' is disgusting. Do you agree that Israeli families having picnics with small children at viewing platforms of the bombing of Gaza and celebrating is also depraved? Or is that different for you? I also wonder if @OpheliaWasntMad thinks the family picnics while watching live bombing is OK. It seems to me there is a serious empathy problem in the region and behaviour is disordered to an incomprehensible level. I am dismayed by the parading of coffins and by the celebration of death of such tiny, innocent beings, but it seems to be generic to groups on both sides and I don't understand how people get to such a place.

Honestly wondering if after today's Hamas display you still feel they are on a level with the Israeli authorities?

Why on earth would you imagine I think “ the family picnics while watching live bombing is OK”

I found the Hamas “celebration” over the release of the Bibas’ children’s tiny bodies utterly sickening ( you found it “dismaying”)
but that doesn’t mean I find other wrong doing “ok” .

Oh I didn't know there are some families in Isreal that watched rockets go over, of course the Palestinians should invade, take hostages, kill them and celebrate.
Is that what I'm supposed to respond with?
I didn't say all Ireali people are perfect and I don't think those families are considering the negative impact on their children.
Do you think it's disgusting that Palestinians celebrated seeing (dead people) coffins?

That was to @OpheliaWasntMad

I used the word 'disgusting' as well as 'dismayed'. and also 'horrendous.' But, to be clear I think families spectating and cheering on bombing is also disgusting, dismaying and horrendous. You have not said you disagree with families cheering on bombing, you only asked why I would think that. I suppose I wonder because people comment as if they have not seen the depravity of small children encouraged to celebrate death before, but the Gaza viewing posts were covered on the news and widely known about.

I think you have misunderstood my post.
I was quoting ( and replying to ) @wordsworthundercover .

I absolutely find it disgusting that Hamas supporters celebrated and gloated during the release of the coffins of the Bibas family - last seen as a frightened mother trying to protect her two beautiful red haired babies

I find both abhorrent but I find the cynical spectacle of Hamas’ using the release of hostages as a official propaganda stunt much more disturbing and chilling .

They represent a much bigger threat than a few extremist settler families ( who I also abhor)
Hamas
a) started this war
b) have stated they will continue to commit atrocities like October 7

The “ceremony “ over the hostage release was too disturbing for words.

Ah sorry @OpheliaWasntMad ❤️
I meant @wordsworthundercover

I'd love to know what she or he thinks of the sick celebrations.

@OpheliaWasntMad Thank you for your full reply. I understand your view, but I still think there's a disturbing lack of empathy widely displayed by both parties, by civilians and by their representatives, (and settlers are well represented in the government, by the way.) It seems deeply entrenched, and very troubling in terms of a peaceful future.
@Enough4me I've said what I think. You may have to go back and read my posts again.

Yes I do. I look at this with the same horror and disgust that I have felt when thousands of children died in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli authorities. What good will be done to justify that by creating some hierarchy of evil in one’s mind?

It feeds the same cycle over and over again. An eye for an eye and round and round it goes. Most people there would think that Israel killed these children, while they bombing them. There are no good guys in power here, both are creating an environment where peace and justice is impossible.

No. Anyone would think that it was those terrorist bastards who deliberately started a war by entering Israel and raping, torturing and murdering 1200 innocent party-goers and families, then kidnapped babies and deliberately put them in harms way who killed those innocent children. Murdered them.

How dare you blame Israel.

Peace is -as you say - impossible. Terrorists and Terrorist apologists have made sure of that.

Previously I couldn't see a way towards peace, but I thought that maybe in a few generations it might be possible. Now I see that it will never be possible.

@statsfun I’m not blaming Israel for their deaths. You’re reading me incorrectly.

no, it doesn’t look possible right now. There is nobody with a strong voice for peace at all, nobody is using that language. I think all types of successful peace agreements has had at least some actors at the table who were committed to finding peace and this just isn’t present here.

The terrorists will never stop trying to murder the Jews.

That's why there will never be peace.

It more horrifying to see people lying about genocide that doesn’t exist to troll Jews.

Now it appears it wasn't the poor mother's body in the coffin (more horror being hidden?). At the same time terrorists are hiding bombs in children's water parks to harm jews.
This surely cannot be right though as Plastinians are experiencing genocide and the focus is on ending this and agreeing to pass hostages and bodies back?

We have learnt one thing. That Hamas can always go lower. There is no limit to how low they can go. To have gone through the despicable parade yesterday. To have put Yarden Bibas through so much. And its still not over. To have planned a mass casualty terrorist attack for when the nation was at its lowest.

I am sick of this equivalence bullshit. I hope noone is going to come on here today and tell us the IDF are equally evil to Hamas.

I keep thinking about Yarden Bibas. His heart must be absolutely shattered, what a torture he’s been going through.
I hope he has many people around him who love him and carry him through those dark, dark times.
Can’t imagine the pain he’s having to endure.

Exactly

Im sure he will be supported with a huge amount of love but this ongoing agony and its potential repurcussions are things nobody should have to bear.

Hamas and their supporters bear all responsibility.

All their twisted, anti-semitic supporters. In all countries.

At this point, after all that's happened in the last few weeks, anyone drawing any equivalence between the IDF/ Israeli authorities and Hamas is only just exposing their own biases and lack of reasoning.

Agreed