Trump announces the US will take over the Gaza strip

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Announcement by Trump.

Take over and 'own it'

New thread since new announcements

He’s got a God complex. He thinks he can do whatever he wants. He speaks like a child. He’s a lunatic

There are many words which can be used to describe this man, but "adult" doesn't seem like an accurate description.

As I recall he did not say ‘destroyed’. That would have been too truthful. He said it was a demolition site.

‘Demolition’ by US bombs.

I was responding to @Jacquette

What about the Palestinians who don't want to be ethnically cleansed from their homeland?

Also - I don't know where you live but someone e with your views on Israel also tends to be aggressively anti-immigration. Why should Arab countries which are vastly poorer than the US and who already have big refugee populations feel obliged to take millions of refugees, when the US itself says it can't cope with migrants and is busy engaging in mass deportations?

Maybe Trump could offer US citizenship to every Palestinian he's planning on ethnically cleansing from Gaza. Now that would show commitment to the welfare of Palestinians. What do you think?

Rehomed them? This is their land. Why on earth should they leave?

trump and the zionists are colonialists who see the value in the land and want it. There’s no humanitarian motivation to this astounding and horrific proposal

Yes you are right. A demolition site.

"Why did they repay kindness and help with mayhem and terrorism? Well largely because those that were left leaning in the West anti Israel / anti semitism in Middle Eastern countries fed the narrative of the Palestinians as victims. "

This post is completely deranged.

Sadly I am not surprised

many people do not see Palestinians as equal to themselves with the same needs and wants for themselves or their children

they view them if not with suspicion with contempt

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-latest-massive-row-back-as-white-house-contradicts-trump-on-gaza-resettlement-13209921

it’s alright - we all misunderstood!

The Riviera of the Middle East. Complete with Trumphiant golf courses....

Re read what I said again. Move back again afterwards, as in once rebuilt. There needs to be rebuilding.

What you’re sayings isn’t what’s being proposed. And Palestinian people are highly capable of organising their own rebuilding, to their own design, with their own needs and wants guiding it. What needs to happen is for resources to be accessible, and for financial aid to be provided.

Last week, DH and I were playing a jolly game of "Predict Trump's Next Batshit Idea". DH suggested DT would want to build a golf course on the Gaza Strip, but we rejected that one as too bizarre even for our game...

Agreed. It's an impossible task to expect Palestine's to believe they will be allowed to live in freedom or peace or dignity.
Killing their children in cold blood, deliberately maiming them & destroying any chance of healthy futures.
Destroying their homes and infrastructure (such as it was).
Brutalising people like this?
Virtually impossible to come back from.
They have no options.
Go out fighting or live their entire lives in hell?
The Jews were given a homeland after what they suffered in WWII because it was acknowledged you couldn't live cheek by jowl with a state and its people could wanted to wipe you off the face of the earth and pretend it never happened.
It's a bit rich to expect Palestinians to be able to do that now.

Because you can’t just force people out of their country where they and their ancestors have lived for generations. It’s called ethnic cleansing.

sorry - missed a quote post to the poster who asked what’s wrong with Trump’s plan.

The Jews were not 'given' a homeland as you put it.

There has been Jewish people living in the area formally known as Palestine for thousands of years. The push for a Jewish state in this area predates the British Mandate for Palestine and certainly predates the Balfour Declaration.

The land wasn't 'given' to Israel. At the time of the attempted 'partition' there were both Jews and Arabs living in the area, both known as Palestinians. The British made a clumsy attempt at separating the 2 groups into separate states, then f'ed off and left them to the flighting. Isreal declared itself a state, the Palestinian Arabs did not. The Palestinan Arabs wanted more land, perhaps all the land. A few months later 6 Arab states went to war to destroy the new state of Israel. They lost.

Israel is really a remarkable story of resilience and community, over 1000's of years, if you care to look into it at all.

Your post completely ignores the violence committed against Israel and as the pp said completely oversimplifies the history of Israel which is an ancient nation going back 1000s of years. You cant make any progress if you just ignore one part of the story.

It was another lesson in how to say you're a fascist without actually saying you're a fascist.

Trump and others in favour of his proposal aren't proposing that. They don't want to rebuild Gaza for Palestinians. They want to replace Gaza, prevent Palestinians from being able to remain or return to it as their homeland, remove it from any talk of a two-state solution, and ultimately expel Palestinians from their homeland permanently in order to build over-rated golf courses and tacky hotels.

This is not a proposal for offering voluntary migration or temporary accommodation. This is wanting to use force to make people leave their own homeland when they don't want to go, so that an annexing power can take on ownership of their land and resources while eradicating a population the annexing power views as inferior to them.

Gaza needs to be rebuilt for Palestinians. If the US wants to contribute financially to that, that could be a small step towards reparations for the harms they have caused to Palestinians. While they're at it, they could also contribute financially to re-building the bits of the West Bank their resources have helped destroy and removing the structures built there by an occupying force with goals of annexation which have been backed by the US.

I don't think the US could be trusted to actually build anything or supply anything material, given their track record, but if they wanted to contribute financially, that could be inspected and overseen by an independent international coalition and by Palestinians - as the people who have been wronged by the US in this situation.

While his mate shows everyone something was "this high, and over there". Several times, in case people missed it the first time.

I didn't say it was. You've not followed the flow of why I said that at the start of the conversation but jumped in the middle of a conversation.

I didn't say trumps idea was good and I know he wasn't going to.move them.back again. I was discussing a different possibility separately from his.

I really wish people would actually read the flow of things, it's frustrating when they jump.into.a comment and assume things when they've totally missed what was said.

I know what Trump.is proposing I really don't need you to explain it.

Forgive me for what may seem like a tangent, but I woke this morning with an overwhelming urge to find out what happened to the farmer near Aberdeen who wouldn't sell to Trump and whose water was cut off. I have found his name is Forbes, and his mother has died, but the end of the story I have not.
It shows in a little his attitude to others who he will not see as people with needs of their own, with a right to exist in their own homes on their own terms. If they stand against him, they have no rights. Riding roughshod over law, and that before he was POTUS.