American proposal to clear out Gaza

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Trump is proposing to "clear out" Gaza.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt

So USA is actually proposing that the Gaza Strip should be cleared of Palestinians. 1.5 million people.

You took the words out of my mouth @jumperround he only sees rich white American men as actual people, couldn't give a feck about anyone else .

Also, of course, nothing pleases him more than acting the strong man. A trait common to pussy grabbers everywhere.

Bbc

Regarding Jordan

Some more now from the news briefing by Jordan's King Abdullah and President Trump.
King Abdullah announced a plan to resettle ill children to Jordan in a move welcomed by Trump.
"One of the things that we can do right away is take 2,000 children that are either cancer children or in very ill state to Jordan as quickly as possible," King Abdullah says.
"Two thousand children with cancer or other problems, that's really a beautiful gesture, that's really good and we appreciate it," Trump says.

The US currently is estimated to have 13.7 MILLION illegal aliens (more than the population of Israel). The entire population of the Gaza strip was estimated to be 2.142 million. Can you see no difference?

And Trump wants to stop illegal immigration, not legal immigration. I'm not sure why anyone is in favor of illegal immigration. Look up your own laws - Great Britain doesn't allow unfettered illegal immigration. Why should the US?

Tg

Three in four Americans oppose idea of US taking control of Gaza, poll says
A new poll found that three out of four Americans say they oppose the idea of the US taking control of Gaza and displacing the Palestinians who live there.
A new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted February 7-9 states that 74% of Americans surveyed said they opposed the idea of the US taking control of Gaza and displacing the Palestinians who live there.
The poll showed that Republicans were divided on the issue, with 55% opposed and 43% supportive.

The King of Jordan says he wants to talk about all the options. You don't get joint press conferences between state leaders unless there is at least some joint ground.

I wonder what Jordan has been promised?

Maybe people need to be talking about Trump seriously without resort to outright rejection?

2000 Ill children will go to Jordan for treatment as part of their agreement. This is completely different to what trump has been suggesting of fully displacing citizens

There are still ongoing discussions and there is I think a reality expressed by Trump though not particularly articulately. If the Gazans don't move with current political status quo there is a risk of similar conflict (it might start on Saturday) with death, horror and destruction.

Palestinians may not live in Gaza but they may live in a land with a promise of peace and dome hope for their children Also importantly without Hamas.

@mids2019 and where is this magical land where they will be living out their dreams?

it’s wonderful news about the 2000 sick children. That would be a challenge for any countries healthcare system to take on even if they get aid - they need the beds, equipment and staff.

The King went down the “flattery route” with Trump. "I truly believe that with all of the challenges that we have in the Middle East, I finally see someone who can take us across the finish line to bring stability, peace and prosperity to all of us in the region."

I don't understand why you think moving the population geographically will automatically remove Hamas? Remaining Hamas will move with the population and continue to intimidate the population and destabilise the region and host country. And a proportion of the traumatised and dispossessed population will be receptive to their cause. And they'll be in camps reliant on humanitarian aid - there's no way that they can integrate those numbers into countries that already have overstretched services, unemployment and economic hardship. Trump's talk of a "beautiful place" is just like telling children their dog has gone to "live on a farm".

By communication I meant media, or people who can report on what's happening.

Where have I been? I've been following the genocide for the entire time. I'm amazed you can seemingly watch the same thing and think it's perfectly normal war stuff.

I can't possibly post some of them, as they're kind of inappropriate, but MAGA sorts are so pissed off they're making memes making fun of Trump bowing down to Netanyahu. They consider it weak. He'll be hating that due to his, very very large ego. The Gaza Plan is definitely not polling well.

Many of them voted the idea of USA not getting involved in wars and ending them and are finding their taxes spent. (& quite likely their army getting involved) on a war. I feel no sorry for MAGAs but can understand why they’ll be pissed off of not getting what they voted for

But are they actually feeling that way? Trump announced his Gaza plan last week. There was a poll the other day showing him with the highest approval ratings he's ever had and people saying it's because he's strong and keeping his promises
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-approval-rating-poll-doge-b2695056.html
I mean, 😵‍💫😵‍💫? He's just announced he wants to send Americans into a conflict zone, the exact opposite of his pre election 'stay out of it' mantra, and voters love it. I don't understand and frankly I'm disturbed and depressed by it.

A pretty good summary.of why Trump's ideas are rubbish.

Amr Hamzawy: Displacement plans in Gaza and annexation plans in the West Bank will only create more violence, instability, and human suffering in the Middle East. Just as these plans threaten Palestinian, Egyptian, and Arab interests, they will not guarantee Israel’s security in the medium or long term. They also threaten U.S. alliances and friendships with Arab countries. While the United States continues to be the most powerful actor in the region, protecting American interests requires good relations with its partners, particularly Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. The U.S. bias toward the criminal plans of the Israeli far right is undermining exactly this.

Definitely, Trump lied to his own base, he didn't even last 20 days.

Not all of them are bad though, some of the loudest Pro Palestinian accounts advocating daily for justice are veterans. They've come to realise that a lot of their misadventures and sacrifices I'm the region were not for America's benefit e.g. when Netanyahu addressed Congress in 2002 and said if we just get rid of Saddam Hussein the region will be safe.

So what you’re suggesting is ethnic cleansing so there is peace?

Exactly how we set up Israel in the first place. Now they want to finish the job.

Hideous!

Or maybe, just maybe, Israel just wants people to stop trying to annihilate it.

Maybe, just maybe, Israel never wanted the Palestinians to remain in Palestine in the first place and have spent a century trying to force them out.

Jordan gave citizenship to Palestinians who moved to Jordan.

In return, the PLO tried to overthrow Jordan's monarchy and take over Jordan for themselves.

Just like Israelis did when they were refugees, settled (by us) in Mandatory Palestine? Spent a few years not getting on with the Palestinians, started a Civil war then declared independence as Israel?

They are the world's most militarily and politically protected nation.

I'm all for peace in the region, but can we please stop seeing Israel as peaceful victims in all this.

Both sides need to come together and find a solution that allows Palestine to flourish, which will sort out a whole load of the political issues and should mean more security for Israel.

This is painful to read.

Isn't it the case, that when the lines were drawn back in 1948, that Israel accepted this, declared the nation of Israel and went about building a prosperous state for its people.

What did the Palestinian Arabs do? They didn't declare a state. They didn't start building. They said, 'We do not accept the nation of Israel and we will fight to remove them from our land.'

I haven't mentioned the violence as there was violence on both sides, so for brevity's sake.

You've got it precisely the wrong way around. The Palestinian Arabs can't accept any state of Israel at all. They cant even say it's name. They call it the 'Zionist Entity'. There's a separate thread on here with a survey, from The Guardian, showing over half of Palestinians don't think Israel should exist.

I know you'll come back to me with mention of the Nakba. Yes, some Arabs were driven from their village with violence. Some left as they had been asked to to make way for Arab armies to kill all the Isrealis. Some Arabs stayed, and are now citizens in Isreal.

Atrocities have been commited on both sides. But how you could have read the history of the region and come up with Israel as the main aggressors is beyond me.

This.

Its all very well to finish with a trite suggestion that everyone needs to come together but You can't just rewrite history like this and then expect both sides to come together without any understanding of what has gone before. Its nonsense. See @dairydebris post, but many others have addressed this sort of stuff over and over again. Just on the most recent history Israel withdrew from gaza. It was the Palestinians that failed to capitalise on that and chose to launch a genocidal declaration of war on Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2jz020ny0o

That's good then, an alternative plan. Hopefully, that involves no Hamas and no constant attacks or planning terrorist incursions into Israel.

So who's paying for this then.....rebuilding Gaza? The cash rich (?) Egyptians and Jorndainians are to find 50 billion from somewhere?

I think the idea of rebuilding Gaza may flounder when Arab nationalism at the cost. They also don't want to rearm a genocide Islamist group that could lead to a return to war. Rhetoric form the Arab regions with no mention of the cash.

Over the coming weeks as may see negotiation about the future of Gaza with the ideal being the removal of Hamas. If the Palestinains do continue to support Hamas in large numbers then they are still a threat to Israel and we are stuck in this spoon loop of strike and counter strike against Israel....to displace the Palestinoans would then seem to be the only viable peace option.