American proposal to clear out Gaza

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Trump is proposing to "clear out" Gaza.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/25/politics/trump-gaza-strip-jordan-egypt

So USA is actually proposing that the Gaza Strip should be cleared of Palestinians. 1.5 million people.

Dont you think if several posters have interpreted that way… its because it could sound that way??
I only knew that @SharonEllis didn’t mean it that way because I’ve read from other comments from Sharon that they don’t agree with trumps idea.

But @SharonEllis is right . It is easy to say ethnic cleansing is wrong ( because it is self evidently wrong)
Her point was the more intractable question- “what is the solution. How can Israel guarantee it won't be attacked again.”
Your defensiveness over her post suggests you can’t answer her question

Several posters interpret it in the way they have because it’s easy to attack and condemn a poster than answer the tricky questions.
It happens all the time on here

It happens both ways though. I don’t think many people have provided an idea that would work for both countries in these threads,

???

What.

So let's let the powers that be look for a solution and completely take ethnic cleansing off the agenda.

One that does not have Trump in any way near the table because he doesn't give a shit about Palestinians or Israelis who will pay the price for his money grabbing ideas.

I don't have a solution I have posted on this before, it's a long shitty road for both parties that involves compromise. I'm not being defensive I just hate that it is even a possibility to displace all Palestinians.

It's depressing that there are still posters on here who argue fervently against a 2 state solution.

You said that @SharonEllis was making an argument for ethnic cleansing when she was doing no such thing.

I don’t think posts that twist other people’s posts so egregiously are made in good faith

Ok I apologize I must have read it wrong.

👍🏼 Fair enough

It's an argument about something that won't happen. He's making a threat that basically if you don't sort it, then America will. He has no intentions of turning the Gaza Strip into some holiday destination American state, he's just telling the region to stabilise their way or his way. It's quite a clever scare tactic.

Idf has been asked to start preparing to assist on the “voluntary” displacement

it’s no clever. It’s ethnic cleansing

Could you post a link that states this please (that isn't the Guardian or Al Jazeera!)

Is times of Israel good enough?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-calls-trumps-gaza-plan-remarkable-katz-tells-idf-to-prep-for-voluntary-emigration/amp/

I dont believe one word that comes out of either Trump or Netanyahu's mouth.

But, for thought experiment sake, if they were telling the truth and any movement was truly voluntary, and they were allowed to come back after Kushner has made his money rebuilding, could this be a positive thing? Under those strict conditions?

problem is that trump has said “we are going to do something so amazing that why would they want to come back “. Also, idf assisting , why? Why not an independent organisation that would make sure that these people are allowed to come back. There is no need to displacement to other countries. Displace them to areas that haven’t been destroyed yet within Gaza (and where they’ve been the last year) and invest in getting it ready asap for them. Otherwise I’m going to think this was in order to achieve netanhayus Gaza 2035 plan

Thank you. It states 'voluntary' .

I agree. Trumps word means nothing. And agree about the IDF too... was there anywhere in Gaza not destroyed, enough space to re home there? I wouldn't have thought so, but glad to be told otherwise.

I just keep thinking, if I was from Gaza, and I was offered voluntary migration, I'd take it. I'd leap at it. I can't bear thinking of the despair, lack of hope, my child growing up to hate and quite possibly getting killed for it... I fully appreciate I can't understand what it is to be Palestinian, and to have fought so long and for the cost to have been so very high, to then give up and leave? Is it possible?

“I just keep thinking, if I was from Gaza, and I was offered voluntary migration, I'd take it. I'd leap at it. I can't bear thinking of the despair, lack of hope, my child growing up to hate and quite possibly getting killed for it... I fully appreciate I can't understand what it is to be Palestinian, and to have fought so long and for the cost to have been so very high, to then give up and leave? Is it possible?”

I agree with this. But I also understand the deep cynicism people feel about the proposal.

Its not what I said though is it?

I know. I also said “voluntary” in my comment.

No there wasn’t but really doubt in Egypt they’ll be living in houses and more in tents. Why not build these tents in Gaza whilst their houses are being rebuilt?

if I was from Gaza and my previous generations were displaced and not allowed to return … I’d make anything not to leave my country. Each person is different and I don’t think I’d blame those leaving but neither those that decide to stay. As long as it’s voluntary and Gaza is rebuilt for Palestinians which doesn’t sound to be trumps idea

The problem is October 7th was ethnic cleansing and only stopped by an advanced military but this seems to be forgotten. Hamas still clearly has a manifesto of ethnic cleansing of Jews from Israel.

I think What is being suggested is the allowance for Palestinians to seek new lands for a more prosperous future as Gaza under Hamas can never give that. If we don't consider radical ideas we are doomed to repeat history and we come back again to bemoan the suffering of the Palestinians and implicity justifying the ideology that supported the rise of Hamas in the first place.

The terrorists in the hostage videos, covered and holding weapons. How do they feature in the next stages? What do they do next?