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andIsaid · 05/02/2025 02:48

dairydebris · 02/02/2025 18:33

Oh come on. It's a thought experiment from the screaming black hole that is the inside of Trump's mind. Neither Egypt or Jordan is taking them, for good reasons that we all know of. So no, we have no idea what Gaza would be used for, in that completely hypothetical instance.
Were you hoping that some of us would suggest handing over the land to Israel?
No one answered because it's a pointless question.

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Not so.

It has been planned.

He will bankrupt Egypt and Jordon in order to get this through.

This is evil.

andIsaid · 05/02/2025 02:58

@mids2019 - Hamas?

Why could Israel could not beat Hamas after:

building a wall to keep them out on the ground,

building an iron dome to keep them out of the skies,

spend a full year bombing them from the sky - every day

a full year of ground invasion that included killing at least 60,000 civilians,

all the while spending the 4 billion dollar injection from the US very single year

andIsaid · 05/02/2025 02:59

MissyB1 · 02/02/2025 08:30

@mids2019 We don’t know all the details of the deal struck by Trump to get this ceasefire. Who knows what was promised to Israel? I certainly fear It will turn out to be very bad for the Palestinians.

We do know though.

A lot of money has surely changed hands.

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 03:03

Hamas has been very instrumental for Israel's land grab.
Yet, no Hamas in West Bank but the same land grab is going on in there too.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/jewish-population-west-bank-rising-settlers-hope-trump-118452066

Golden407 · 05/02/2025 04:11

mids2019 · 02/02/2025 05:41

For all those dismissive of Trump in reality he is the one that applied pressure for the current ceasefire which a lot of protestors were wanting(?).

The great fear going forward if that it looks like Hamas are going to cling to power and the PA as well as other Arab states are refusing to interfere with the governance of Gaza because of the popularity of Hamaz. Yes let's say it Hamas, the instigators of October 7th, are still popular in Gaza. Recent hostage releases have allowed Hamas to pontificate about continued resistance while brandishing semi automatic weapons.....this is not the voice of peace but the voice of hate.

I therefore think migration from Gaza could be a positive as it looks like peace is desperately remote. Israel is likely to set up an incredibly controlled buffer zone between itself and Gaza with Gaza having to economically function with no trading party and little resource. The only way Gaza is going to function is for the territory to become the focus of global charity with essentially massive bills for unemployment benefit and essential public services. Remember this money is going to be controlled by terrorists i.e. Hamas. We are expecting the world to rearm and support Hamas by charitable giving which is simply ludicrous. Hamas as has been pointed out are recruiting thousands of young men who have been brought up to have Israel as a paramilitary in waiting to seek out opportunities to terrorise Israel all while they are being fed ultimately by other counties.

Maybe the only path to peace in the real world is to admit it can't be a beloved with Gaza as is and look for the displacement of Palestinians to weaken Hamas and give in reality better prospects for individual citizens rather than living in a building site with the prospect of further conflict never to far from their minds. We can't just keep painting a small impoverished terror state ad infintum.

It's worth remembering that Israel funded Hamas and promoted them to power over less radical alternatives because they believed (correctly) that unlike the PLO for example, they had no international recognition. There would be no invitations to the white house for Hamas leaders as there were for Yasser Arafat. As such there would be no significant international pressure for a two state solution
With Hamas in charge conflict has increased, Palestinians have had to bear the worst of the violence and many have become increasingly resistant and radicalised.
Israel has proven itself incapable of defeating Hamas militarily and Palestinians are more determined than ever to drive Israel out.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

mids2019 · 05/02/2025 06:16

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EasterIssland · 05/02/2025 06:42

When asked whether Palestinians would be allowed back, he said "the world's people" would live there, saying it would be an "international, unbelievable place", before adding "also Palestinians".
His Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff earlier in the day summed up much of the tone around the proposal, saying of Trump "this guy knows real estate".
Trump said it would be the "Riviera of the Middle East".

like the danish politician said a few weeks ago: trump im going to sell it in a way for you to understand it: Trump Fuck off

EasterIssland · 05/02/2025 06:44

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would you feel the same if he had said the same thing about Israel or the place where you live or is it only Palestinian ethnic cleansing that you don’t oppose to?

EasterIssland · 05/02/2025 06:49

IMO this doesn’t help to the ceasefire, Hamas is not want to hand over Gaza to trump for the riviera de Middle East so all this is just fuel that isn’t needed to trigger a spark to break the ceasefire

SharonEllis · 05/02/2025 06:53

It would be catastrophe for the US to take over gaza. The palestinians & regional powers need to get their act together.

CerealPosterHere · 05/02/2025 06:58

He’s insane and must really be risking the cease fire. Has he learnt nothing from previous terrorist attacks and the rise of Al Queda, etc where railing against American interference seems to have been a big driving force? He is also increasing the chances of further terrorist attacks against the US inc on US soil, more jihad. Why does he think America can just take over another country? He says everyone thinks it’s a great idea. Really? I’m sure the Israelis do but can’t imagine neighbouring countries think it’s a great idea and the Palestinians certainly won’t.

It would just be an invasion? A hostile take over and hopefully the UN would see it as such. Imagine if Syria said they were going to do this, would America just let them do it? Of course not.

Dulra · 05/02/2025 07:11

So the narcissist in Chief is adding ethnic cleansing to his playbook. He is dangerous and will do nothing but stir tensions and cause more havoc for everyone in the region.

@mids2019 your glee at ethnic cleansing is quite disturbing tbh.

Martymcfly24 · 05/02/2025 07:28

@mids2019 that is a disturbing attitude. If October 7th was too far what the fuck has the last 18 months of massacre been , but I suppose only certain lives matter.

What Trump has said tonight will bring massive instability to the whole area. This is absolutely terrible for Palestinians but also for Israelis who will now be in a war in the region that like Iraq and Afghanistan is unwinnable. Billions will be spent, civilian and military lives will be lost in Gaza, Israel and other ME countries. Americans will protest (like Vietnam) at the cost and loss of life especially as life in America is going to get a lot shitter in the next couple of years due to Trump's policies

And ultimately the international community will step in and some form of treaty will be signed .

Hope those beachside condos will be worth it, the view might not be great when they have 20 foot security fences trying to protect them

Scirocco · 05/02/2025 07:34

I'm looking at Trump and seeing the bully nobody wanted to play Pokémon with at school, re-enacting and re-scripting his childhood experiences so he can finally have the limited edition Charizard of his dreams. Dude, countries are not fucking Pokemon and you aren't meant to try to catch them all.

This man is a danger to everyone, including the people he'll turn on in the future and the people he'll drag down with him along the way.

PoorPlanning · 05/02/2025 07:37

mids2019 · 02/02/2025 05:41

For all those dismissive of Trump in reality he is the one that applied pressure for the current ceasefire which a lot of protestors were wanting(?).

The great fear going forward if that it looks like Hamas are going to cling to power and the PA as well as other Arab states are refusing to interfere with the governance of Gaza because of the popularity of Hamaz. Yes let's say it Hamas, the instigators of October 7th, are still popular in Gaza. Recent hostage releases have allowed Hamas to pontificate about continued resistance while brandishing semi automatic weapons.....this is not the voice of peace but the voice of hate.

I therefore think migration from Gaza could be a positive as it looks like peace is desperately remote. Israel is likely to set up an incredibly controlled buffer zone between itself and Gaza with Gaza having to economically function with no trading party and little resource. The only way Gaza is going to function is for the territory to become the focus of global charity with essentially massive bills for unemployment benefit and essential public services. Remember this money is going to be controlled by terrorists i.e. Hamas. We are expecting the world to rearm and support Hamas by charitable giving which is simply ludicrous. Hamas as has been pointed out are recruiting thousands of young men who have been brought up to have Israel as a paramilitary in waiting to seek out opportunities to terrorise Israel all while they are being fed ultimately by other counties.

Maybe the only path to peace in the real world is to admit it can't be a beloved with Gaza as is and look for the displacement of Palestinians to weaken Hamas and give in reality better prospects for individual citizens rather than living in a building site with the prospect of further conflict never to far from their minds. We can't just keep painting a small impoverished terror state ad infintum.

therefore think migration from Gaza could be a positive

Disgusting. What a cold and dismissive comment. This isn’t a voluntary migration you understand. Language matters.

The anti-Palestinian people and Netanyahu have got what they have always wanted.

At this stage of the conflict, people’s true colours are showing. And we can see why Trump won.

EasterIssland · 05/02/2025 07:37

Scirocco · 05/02/2025 07:34

I'm looking at Trump and seeing the bully nobody wanted to play Pokémon with at school, re-enacting and re-scripting his childhood experiences so he can finally have the limited edition Charizard of his dreams. Dude, countries are not fucking Pokemon and you aren't meant to try to catch them all.

This man is a danger to everyone, including the people he'll turn on in the future and the people he'll drag down with him along the way.

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how Many countries has he pissed off since he got into power ? Canada Mexico Panama china panama Greenland - Denmark - Palestine - and soon EU

many Arab countries (including Saudi Arabia who are their allies) they’ll not support riviera the Middle East. I guess there are too many flag weavers around the world that don’t support ethnics cleansing

Scirocco · 05/02/2025 07:38

SharonEllis · 05/02/2025 06:53

It would be catastrophe for the US to take over gaza. The palestinians & regional powers need to get their act together.

Everyone needs to. Only a united international effort can stand against Orange Juice Man, as my DC calls him. (I didn't start or encourage it, DC saw him on a TV programme and seems to have identified him as a cartoon villain).

Coolasfeck · 05/02/2025 07:40

Well it looks like the Americans are going to have to send in troops to achieve this ‘clear out’.

I hope the MAGA who claimed they were voting for no more wars and the American Palestinians who attacked Harris are happy with themselves.

This will turn into Vietnam.

SharonEllis · 05/02/2025 07:45

Scirocco · 05/02/2025 07:38

Everyone needs to. Only a united international effort can stand against Orange Juice Man, as my DC calls him. (I didn't start or encourage it, DC saw him on a TV programme and seems to have identified him as a cartoon villain).

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Yes I agree there needs to be international concensus to counter the US. But on this issue it is the result if the abject failure of the regional powers to sort the Israel/Palestine issue out & they need to step up. To some extent I suspect they all have been hoping the Americans would sort it out for years - unfortunately if you leave your destiny in the hands of other people you cant control the outcome.

EasterIssland · 05/02/2025 07:47

SharonEllis · 05/02/2025 07:45

Yes I agree there needs to be international concensus to counter the US. But on this issue it is the result if the abject failure of the regional powers to sort the Israel/Palestine issue out & they need to step up. To some extent I suspect they all have been hoping the Americans would sort it out for years - unfortunately if you leave your destiny in the hands of other people you cant control the outcome.

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I hope this is a wake up call to the leaders of the area. (&beyond) and they do something now rather than this riviera idea. But for that we need Hamas and netanhayu on board and really doubt they’re in favour of addressing and fixing the problem

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 07:54

SharonEllis · 05/02/2025 06:53

It would be catastrophe for the US to take over gaza. The palestinians & regional powers need to get their act together.

It's not really USA taking it. USA will be the fall guy via Trump. He will do the dirty work, will take take the financial burden and USA will be hated throughout the region and the world. But the real owner will be Israel.

Liv999 · 05/02/2025 07:56

andIsaid · 05/02/2025 02:58

@mids2019 - Hamas?

Why could Israel could not beat Hamas after:

building a wall to keep them out on the ground,

building an iron dome to keep them out of the skies,

spend a full year bombing them from the sky - every day

a full year of ground invasion that included killing at least 60,000 civilians,

all the while spending the 4 billion dollar injection from the US very single year

Exactly, and 62,000 dead with nothing achieved

stanleypops66 · 05/02/2025 08:05

Trumps proposition is disgusting and dangerous. The international community needs to stand up against this. How dare he try and ethnically cleanse Palestine.

VolcanoJapan · 05/02/2025 08:09

How about the ceasefire. What will this do to that?

BelleHathor · 05/02/2025 08:10

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 07:54

It's not really USA taking it. USA will be the fall guy via Trump. He will do the dirty work, will take take the financial burden and USA will be hated throughout the region and the world. But the real owner will be Israel.

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I watched the press conference live, from Netanyahu's body language Trump made these comments without informing him before. Trump gave the game away and said the quiet part (probably lobbied for privately) out loud and has tied this openly to Netanyahu. They own it.

Trump has given irrefutable evidence that Ethnic cleansing was the goal, he'll be only happy to blame Netanyahu when the backlash happens.

Positively, there is no longer any space for meaningless words from other leaders in the region. No leader can accept this proposal, their populations would revolt.