Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

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If it wasn't already clear that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza, then this is the final straw.

IDF soldiers have posted countless videos mocking at the destruction they have caused in the north. The north of Gaza has suffered massacre after massacre at the hands of Israel and after repeatedly targeting the Kamal Adwan hospital, they have now forced them to evacuate after bombing and killing several medics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

Israel has admitted to building the tunnels under Shifa hospital so those headlines aren't evidence of anything.

Yes, Israel did build a sub-basement with underground operating room, utility rooms for power, oxygen, water pumps (from the reservoir) and other storage rooms. They didn’t build tunnels that went off hospital property.

Too, numerous international humanitarian organisations, both from the UN and independent…ie MSF, WHO, Indonesia, Qatar, UNICEF, OCHR, HRW, the US Medic Mission by UHC etc have sent a constant stream of teams of doctors and nurses to these hospitals the entire war. Every one of them have said they did not see any evidence of Hamas operating from or in the hospitals. Even after coming home, safe and sound, with no way for Hamas to threaten or blackmail them into lying about it. Live video footage of attacks on hospitals from inside the hospitals by journalists has not once caught a Hamas fighter in any frame.

I would recommend following 'breaking the silence'.

An amazing Israeli organisation that debunks many of Israel's lies in this war aswell as testimonies from soldiers who don't hold back in disclosing how IDF soldiers really are in Gaza.

So if we think there is no Hamas in the hospitals and the IDF know that, what are we saying their motivation is? They’re all just murderous?

What do you think it is?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/12/world/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-israel-hamas.html

This article provides an interesting overview of the evidence around Al-Shifa. Clearly the evidence is contested, but it is plausible that hospitals are being used by Hamas as human shields. My view is that the IDF are not attacking hospitals simply to murder people. It is much more likely that they at least believe terrorists are operating there.

Or, they are dismantling the health care infrastructure through systematic attacks on hospitals, health care workers, ambulances etc as part of their collective punishment against the Palestinians, which plenty of human rights groups aswell as Israeli NGO's have pointed out.

Bombing is not the only way to make a land uninhabitable. Taking away the vital infrastructure needed to sustain life coupled with encouragement of 'voluntary emigration' is another way.
You know things like controlled explosions of entire universities after the IDF are done using them as their bases.

We know they do this because the dim witted soldiers record their destructive acts to give a 'moral boost' to their followers back in Israel, despite being ordered not to.

Now, many of them can't travel freely because there is a high chance of them being prosecuted for war crimes. The crimes they posted about gleefully on their personal social media accounts making no attempt to hide their identities.

UK doctor who worked at Shifa confirms Gaza hospital used for non medical purposes.

www.timesofisrael.com/uk-doctor-who-worked-at-shifa-confirms-gaza-hospital-used-for-non-medical-purposes/

How is this evidence?
One unnamed anonymous doctor who worked there for a short period, years ago. Is this the best the IDF could come up with?
They showed many elaborate CGI's of extensive bunkers and a big HQ before the invasion and attack.
When probed for evidence they showed a water shaft and a Hamas rota which embarrassingly transpired to be a calender.

Despite spending a huge amount on Hasbara and PR, nobody in the IDF realised that it was names of the days of the week in Arabic and not fighters.

Oh I think they knew... In fact I am not sure whether to laugh or to be offended that they keep on trotting out such easily debunked lies they must presume that the general public is so easily misled/stupid.

True
It’s just very difficult to prove a negative ( eg no one has proved there are no Hamas operatives in hospitals) so this makes it tricky.
I think the fact that the Israelis haven’t provided convincing evidence by this stage is surprising if Hamas really were using the hospitals as a base.

But I also think Hamas operatives do not wear uniform and live and work amongst the general population so I can understand how difficult it is. They are not like an ordinary army.

Either way - I’m don’t think what is happening in Gaza is logistically successful or morally justifiable.

Well this is why Israel has banned the international media and why they're killing the local media.

It's much easier to get away with it this way. And it's clearly working, judging from your last few posts at least.

Strange final comment.
Which of my posts suggests that to you @Lalaloveya ? I get all my news from Channel 4 / BBC and Times newspaper. I don’t look at any Israeli or Palestinian online news sources.

What evidence could they provide that would make you think the attack was justified? What reason is there not to at least believe that they believe there are weapons there? Israel has spent many years supporting the construction of infrastructure in Gaza. Why did they do that if all along they wanted to destroy it? Were they just playing a really long game?

If you have a predetermined view that Israel has a nefarious purpose and that belief cannot be falsified, it suggests that your beliefs are not founded on reason, but prejudice.

I'm not sure why you find the comment strange. I'm referring to your post above.

That post ( explaining that the information available is sometimes conflicting) suggests to you that I , unlike you , have been influenced by Israeli media manipulation

So what If they think there's some guns or the likes there? Is that good reason to invade and destroy entire hospitals that are the lifeline for those who are being maimed by Israeli bombs? I can't understand that line of thinking unless some of you believe that the Palestinians are not even worth a small chance of living.

And the IDF have attacked atleast 10 hospitals. Many of them multiple times. Each time they claimed there was a Hamas HQ there, yet they haven't provided evidence of this even once. Can you blame anyone who would be sceptical of their claims after this?

No, it suggests that the information vacuum caused by Israel not allowing international media into Gaza and killing members of the local media is causing confusion for people in establishing what is true and what is not.

Ah - apologies.
It is sometimes a bit combative on here and I jumped to conclusions .
The first casualty of war is always truth. Hard to know what is true at times.

For information.....

So would you say that going into the hospital and trying to root out the terrorists/weapons would be acceptable, but not damaging the hospital building itself? Or that the terrorists and guns should just be left there, because the risks of operating in that environment at all are too high?

Regarding your second comment, the IDF would say that they have provided some evidence (although of course the quality/legitimacy of it is contested). It's possible that they operate on their own intelligence and don't prioritise evidence-gathering as highly as we might like.