What do you see as the major obstacles to a 2-state solution in Israel/Palestine?

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And how could they be overcome?

Are there any opportunities?

The Palestinian’s leaders were/are the aggressors and oppressors - case in point that a two state solution has not yet come to pass! The Palestinian leaders never wanted a two state solution and have betrayed their own people for over 76 years.

Except Israel literally funded Hamas because they did not want to negotiate and accept any Palestinian state at all.

Send in Mosab Hassan Yousef as a special envoy and potential leader of Gaza to start the debriefing process. They need a leader who is also an ally of Israel or there will never be peace
This guy? 🤨
He has stated: "I have zero respect for any individual who identifies as a Muslim."
"If I have to choose between 1.6 billion Muslims and a cow, I will choose the cow"
In May 2024, Yousef spoke at UCSD, where he said that the IDF should "burn" the city of Rafah

No I mean contribute to the thread.

Israel is representing democratic western values? Can you explain?

Being anti Israel is not the same as being anti semitic.

Well the Good Friday agreement was just pandering to terrorists. Is that the only solution?

"There is no Israeli government intention to wipe out Palestinians..."

... You mean apart from all the times they've explicitly stated they want to wipe out Palestinians... and the times they've killed, tortured, oppressed and driven out Palestinians...

There is a very clear intention there. The main debate among experts in genocide and war crimes hasn't been whether or not there's been genocidal intent, but whether the accompanying actions fall within the criteria for genocide or war crimes yet (with the current consensus being that they probably do).

If you want peace then yes, both sides have to make a deal. But not everyone wants peace, clearly.

Would you rather the war in the north of Ireland had carried on for another 25 years?

Well, it is a democracy, unlike the surrounding countries. When were elections last held in Gaza?

There's a difference between having a charter that explicitly calls for the destruction of the 'Zionist Entity' (and note that the earlier version was not repudiated) and some people in government saying bad things.

This!

@Lalaloveya thanks, you beat me to it.

@Fizzadora I believe that the route to a solution means parties having to get around the table and begin a dialogue. I’m entitled to my opinion and you’re entitled to yours.

I genuinely believe that if they hadn’t got around the table with terrorists (as you say) Ireland would still be a war zone.

Re Northern Ireland - I think people outside Ireland often forget there were terrorists on both sides.

Quite.

If wiping out Palestinians was an Israeli Government policy, they would have been wiped out by now, or the numbers reported by Hamas as civilian casualties would have been a lot higher.

It’s ludicrous in the extreme that people can’t (or won’t) do the maths in the reports of 40,000 deaths in Gaza - note this includes deaths of Hamas and other militant group operatives as they not differentiated.

16,000 of them children + 11,000 women = 27,000 according to Al Jazeera.

The IDF report that they have killed 17,000 militants.

27,000 women and children + 17,000 militants = 44,0000.

So according to Hamas, barely any male civilians over the age of 19 (under 19s are counted as children) have been killed in Gaza in over a year?

There would be 500,000+ men in Gaza in a population of 2.1 million, with almost half aged under 19 as reported, assuming a rough split of adult men and women.

What are the chances of barely any deaths in that demographic? If it’s true, that would certainly give credence to allegations of women and children being used as human shields which is heavily denied by Hamas and their supporters.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/8/15/israel-kills-more-than-40000-palestinians-in-gaza-16456-of-them-children

The GFA was pandering to terrorists? Explain?

Your figures assume Israeli figures are correct, which is quite an assumption given their track record for telling lies.

I don't think Israel can come back from this. Their aim has never been for peace.

They have explicitly made plans to take over Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. They believe they have the right to all this area.

It is obvious why other neighbouring nations do not want to make peace with Israel. They have literally said they are taking over.

But you believe Hamas figures? Because they’re honest brokers?

Interesting take. Hamas has not stated the demographic making up the remainder of the death count after the 27,000 women and children have they? Civilian men?

You believe Hamas then? You know that’s where the figures come from?

That would also be quite an assumption given their track record for telling lies………….

observer.com/2015/03/how-the-ap-botched-its-investigation-of-civilian-deaths-in-the-israel-hamas-war/amp/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28688179.amp

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/08/12/hamas-lies-about-the-gaza-civilian-death-toll-and-the-media-bought-it

time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/

Note the dates on those articles. The 1st one is a bit of a read but very illuminating.

Do you have any evidence for this claim that Israel has "explicitly made plans to take over Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. They believe they have the right to all this area."?

Please share.

'If wiping out Palestinians was an Israeli Government policy, they would have been wiped out by now, ' @ShortCircuited

Not sure why you think this. Have you seen the state of Gaza right now? How long do you think you would be able to survive in those conditions? I doubt it's necessary to spend money on weapons when famine, disease, toxic water, and lack of health care will do the job given enough time. Or perhaps Europe will be persuaded to take in the refugee population, as I think Israeli politicians have suggested. I don't know if 'wiping out' Palestinians is Israeli government policy, but I do know that preventing a Palestinian state and establishing Israeli sovereignty from the river to the sea is in the Likud charter. I suppose how that might be achieved is open to different interpretations by the current government.

I'm not here to defend Hamas. I'm not sure how helpful 10 year old articles are, and the first one isn't the gotcha they seem to think it is. I'd also query the source.

The Hamas figures are accepted as reasonably accurate by many respected organisations.

Israel lies constantly about Gaza, and Palestine, over and over so I don't believe a word they say.

You're not here to defend Hamas, but you believe their figures and accuse Israel of lying. Okay, gotcha.

Scientists are closing in on the true, horrifying scale of death and disease in Gaza
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/05/scientists-death-disease-gaza-polio-vaccinations-israel

and moreover, the BBC here says,
Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead are women and children, UN says
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

So saying that there are 44000 dead and Israel lies is defending Hamas. Where is the link between the two? Are they not independent of each other? Can it not be true that Hamas are murderous terrorists and Israel has lied repeatedly.

You're taking the word of murderous terrorists with reason to inflate the number of civilian casualties. Sounds like defense to me.