What do you see as the major obstacles to a 2-state solution in Israel/Palestine?

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And how could they be overcome?

Are there any opportunities?

Thank you for your balanced views.
I fully agree with you.

Once again, criticising the Israeli government is not antisemitic.
To add, it isn't for you or I to decide if it is a genocide. The court of laws will.

Netanyahu. He has worked against it for years. And Sinwar/Hamas which is why Netanyahu was bolstering him.

The not-so-secret history of Netanyahu’s support for Hamas
From sabotaging Oslo to funneling Qatari cash into Gaza, Bibi has spent his career bolstering Hamas to help perpetuate the conflict. Even after Oct. 7, argues historian Adam Raz, he's still advancing the same strategy.
https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/

why don’t you read my comment - I didn’t say criticism of a government is antisemtic, I’m saying the use of the term “israelis are”- no one would get away with it if they blamed all black, all Muslims or all any other group!

To add, it isn't for you or I to decide if it is a genocide. The court of laws will yes my point too!

The fact that it is Hamas‘s stated aim to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and kill any Jew they see (which they demonstrated on 7th October). The Iranian republican guard who hate Israel and Jews and will always act against them in the region - they don’t want peace.

The major obstacle is the Palestinian ideology and narrative that Israel has no right to exist, that the whole of ‘Palestine’ is theirs from the river to the sea, that the land was stolen, that Jews have no claim to the land or history, and that Jews are the aggressors and oppressors.

The Palestinian’s leaders were/are the aggressors and oppressors - case in point that a two state solution has not yet come to pass! The Palestinian leaders never wanted a two state solution and have betrayed their own people for over 76 years.

Send in Mosab Hassan Yousef as a special envoy and potential leader of Gaza to start the debriefing process. They need a leader who is also an ally of Israel or there will never be peace.

It is the Israeli government through Netanyahu which is wiping out Palestinians by the thousands, as well as their homes and infrastructure, and who has been working for years against a two state solution and to bolster Hamas in order to help that aim.

There is a powerful right wing Kahanist cohort among them a terrorist, who want all Palestinians gone.

The Israeli Govt.

Hamas and Netanyahu unfortunately.

Palestinian ideology
Hamas Ideology

That ideology exists with the current Israeli government too, neither are looking for peace both need to go

There is no way that all Palestinians will be ‘gone’. There is no Israeli government intention to wipe out Palestinians.

This hysterical and hateful rhetoric is what hinders peace.

@HermioneWeasley · Today 10:03
Have a look at this Israeli man to see who wants to wipe out whom, whether by death or hounding out.

nb one of the people interviewed here is an Israeli working for justice on behalf of Palestinians.

No it is not ‘hysterical’.

The Palestinian ideology was around long before Hamas - Yasser Arafat, the PLO? Don’t let’s pretend Hamas was created as a response to or resistance to Israel.

There is no such ideology in the Israeli government. The extremists views are not policy. Hamas views were their policy.

I just wish I had some answers. It's not as simple as some on the left area having it, which is 'LOL, Israelis are just white European colonialists and they move back to Poland' (though I don't think one can escape that Israel is to some extent a European colonial project), nor is 'but the Holocaust so we have the right to all of it and more'.

I quite like my DH's idea of some sort of federated state where all parts have to govern together. I think Israel may have to move towards being more of a Jew-ish state than a Jewish one.

One might be able to claim that Israel has done its job of preserving the Jewish people post Holocaust and now we need to move beyond that. I have always felt that the diaspora is more our future from Israel, and if you add on that climate change is likely to make the region unlivable in the next 100 years, then even more so.

I didn't think I could still be surprised by the absolute madness posted on these threads, but here we are 😅😅

Palestine is not a state and Hamas is not Palestine, nor do they have the power of the State if Israel or the military might of the USA behind them. Hamas’s ‘policy’ cannot be compared to the State of Israel’s actions.

Meanwhile if what is happening in the West Bank and in prisons is being allowed is not ‘policy’ then it back door policy and giving power to Ben-Givr and Smotrich is effectively the ignition key to policies too. And how is it that Netanyahu gets his way in bolstering Hamas and stopping a two state solution? Or is not following ‘policy’ in the clear-out ( ie ethnic cleansing’ plan in Northern Gaza?

Netanyahu again rejects Palestinian sovereignty amid fresh US push for two-state solution
By Abeer Salman, Mitchell McCluskey, Ibrahim Dahman, Sophie Tanno, Kevin Liptak and MJ Lee, CNN
Updated 4:47 PM EST, Sun January 21, 2024
www.cnn.com/2024/01/21/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-two-state-solution-intl/index.html

Rather than contribute to the thread in an eloquent fashion you’ve resorted to usual genocide denial.

In 2001, Netanyahu was caught on video boasting to a group of settlers that he had sabotaged Oslo, declaring “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/25-years-after-the-oslo-accords-independence-remains-more-elusive-than-ever-for-palestinians/

There is a thread at the moment about Ireland and the people in Ireland. So yes it’s not only Israelis who are blamed. Also , most of those that talk about Israelis don’t talk about the whole population but government and those citizens with extremism views that want do destroy Palestine

You mean rather than agree with you

The Israeli government. Hamas. Iran. The US.

We need the safe return of hostages and unjustly detained people held in detention.

We need a process to bring perpetrators of crimes and atrocities to justice - including extremists from both Palestine and Israel - and both sides would need to comply with this.

We need recognition of and a process that acknowledges the intergenerational traumas of both Israelis and Palestinians.

We need a mechanism for establishing and protecting borders, overseen by a neutral/3rd party initially. I suspect a Palestinian state would need to be demilitarised at first, so it would need to be protected by a 3rd party.

Very well said.