The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

Reading the article, and from experience, it sounds like there is a fair amount of commonality between the Muslim and Jewish experience. I have a vague recollection that there have been interfaith initiatives before to do with addressing security, although I can’t find anything now when I looked. I think this would be a really good place for different minority communities to meet to share ideas and experience and knowledge. Antidote to all the narratives pushing isolationism and fracturing in the media as well

This.

absolutely. I'd rather have an underground railroad for the women of Afghanistan.

The word asylum and immigrants has been mentioned on the first few replies. Hence why I’m asking why are people relating immigrants and asylum seekers with what the Muslim population is facing as not all asylum seekers are Muslim and viceversa

Because no one is able to mention Muslims without everyone wanting to jump on with subjects like asylum seekers, terrorism, oppression of women, Afghanistan, grooming gangs etc. Because of course, all 2 billion Muslims in the world are the same and if Muslims are being attacked, well then they're fair game because of all the above. This is sadly how many people think.

Right but what's the alternative? Do you agree with people claiming asylum or not? Do we not support any asylum seekers in case they end up being in the minority that are rejected?
It should not and didn't use to take a long time to process the claims. This is a manufactured problem to create exactly this sort of demonisation. There's a difference between saying you have an issue with the government not providing the funding to allow the home office to adequately process claims to ensure that people are verified quickly and not stuck in the system costing the public money and saying that asylum seekers are illegal immigrants being subsidies by the government. The first is based on facts and not prejudice and is a genuine public concern. Falsely (and knowingly falsely) stating that the people staying hotels are illegal immigrants scrounging off the government is the exact rhetoric that people felt jusified them setting fire to those hotels with people in them because they're "illegal".

Where do you live I've never seen Christians praying in the streets at Easter? Remembrance is multi faith.

unflowersinwinter · Today 11:18
Are we talking about the same Keir Starmer who recieved huge backlash by the Hindu community for serving beef and beer at the annual diwali party hosted for British Hindus?

Very much doubt that he personally did the catering ….

I attended my son’s remembrance parade last week in the street. There was a priest who did pray, it wasn’t multi faith but Christian

I went swimming with two friend to my local pool a few weeks in a row but we all stopped as the men wouldn't leave us alone it's a very big Muslim area.

Possibly one of the issues behind the horrible riots ..was precisely this shutting down of debate - calling people “hate filled “ etc rather than rebutting their claims in a measured way.
The black and white thinking of some posters on here will get us nowhere

And? do non Muslim men leave women alone ? Is Islamophobia ok because 2 Muslim men didn’t leave you alone ?

The article writer Shabna Begum referenced the summer riots (presumably the ones following the murders in Southport, there have been other riots this year), the riot instigators leveraged local unrest and division and the mavens of mumsnet discussed it.

No they wouldn't though. Even if your claim is rejected it still doesn't class you as an illegal immigrant unless you continue to stay in the country illegally after being denied asylum. You can be denied asylum and appeal or apply to stay through the other immigration routes also. We wouldn't have this overblown reaction to people immigrating or seeking asylum if they weren't being demonised and blamed for the state of the country, something being caused completely by our political class therefore people should be careful how they talk about a very vulnerable group of people especially as we know what this kind of information and rhetoric has led to.

When several hundred people are intercepted a week, the system begins to creak. When infrastructure is already struggling it collapses.

It will be interesting to see if the labour government are capable of solving a problem that is challenging the stability of several European countries.

I agree with you. But I don’t think the comment you objected to was demonising anyone- it was just describing a situation that exists

Anyway- nothing to do with Islamophobia

Please quote where I called @quantumbutterfly hate filled though? I didn't. I said that incorrect rhetoric has been sued to invite hatred which is true and evidence in the actions we saw against those people falsely being accused of being illegal immigrants. People correcting misinformation isn't silencing, people asking you to clarify your point isn't silencing it's engaging in debate.

Which situation that exists? Illegal immigrants being houses in hotels?

I don't want to derail the thread responding to those points about the benefit or otherwise of the marches. You originally said that you thought those who were against the marches were islamaphobic and I just wanted to point out that saying the marches are pointless or anti semitic are not Islamaphobic views. That's all.

Apologies- it was @Dulra
“illegal immigrants don't get any state support obviously. Asylum seekers do while they are waiting for their application to be processed. I think this kind of misinformation doesn't help things and again is about incitement to hate. Well done”

Right so even Dulra didn't called quantum hate filled then? And accurately said that misinformation doesn't help and it's about incitement to hate which it is. Quantum hardly made that misinformation up themselves, they read or heard it somewhere and the lie of it was created to incite hate against those people. I really don't see what you're taking issue with here.

It’s people who shut down debate who encourage the likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson.
Rebut the claims with evidence rather than call it incitement to hate …

I don't think I did say that. Are you confusing me with someone else?

When it's completely made up to reflect badly on a vulnerable group of people what do you call it? Genuinely why do you think that Tommy Robinson etc make up and spread these claims? Likewise when someone makes up a disparaging lie about Jewish people, are they not doing so to incite hatred towards them? People don't make up lies about minorities for fun and games or without agenda. Unless you have another reason why they make it up?

And I did rebut the claims with evidence that no illegal immigrants are houses in hotels? What other evidence do you want? They're then more than welcome to respond to my evidence with their own evidence- that's how forums work. Instead you butted in to make up that myself and Dulra called someone hate filled and accused me of silencing people by correcting their misinformation.