The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

[Scirocco]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/nov/17/muslims-face-bleak-and-dystopian-climate-in-uk-says-head-of-thinktank

According to a report by the Runnymede Trust. The crisis in Palestine and Lebanon is considered to be a major contributing factor.

fairy nuff, just seemed not to touch on the citme very much.

But they are relevant when our government are supporting it. That's like saying the concern for the hostages is also not relevant to the UK. Is that what you think?
Not all Jews are frightened of the protests though, many are taking part. Some are which I agree is something to be addressed with what is intimidating them and how we stop that whilst also balancing that people have a right to protest against a genocide. No one ever should be facing threats or aggression and I would condemn any actions at a protest towards Jewish people like that. Some of the reported incidents of being fearful of the protests though has been saying that the Palestinian Flag makes someone feel threated for example so we need to balance people's feelings with facts. Just as we need to actually address and call out real attacks on the Muslim community (the ones you were dismissing earlier ) but also balance them with people's rights in a free country.

Is our government sending weapons to China...?

Name anywhere else in the world where Muslim civilians predominantly women and children are being bombed, killing tens of thousands.

Illegal immigrants receive nothing. Asylum seekers, yes. But you know that already. Do you take issue with refuge and asylum in which case you could say that and make a case for it but you are erroneously trying to imply that asylum seekers are illegal immigrants which is incorrect.

There is an overlap between the two groups. Some people arrive here and claim asylum and so are “asylum seekers “ … if their claim is rejected they become “illegal immigrants “.
So … some of the asylum seekers are ultimately judged illegal immigrants

But no doubt you knew that already

80% are judged to be genuine asylum seekers yet many people don't care about that.

syria (by the Syrian government & recently Turkey,) yemen, ( by the Saudi government), sudan (civil war)

Precisely. I commented on this thread having grown up in an area with a high proportion of Muslims, with muslim friends and neighbours about how both sides need to work on integrating into one community. There are sadly racist thugs who use any excuse to inflict violence but these people do not represent the vast majority, most of us detest these people and just want to live in harmony.

We have more in common than we all think and it is important that we can have conversations without being accused of Islamophobia which is what this thread has descended to.

I haven't dismissed any attacks. That's incorrect. You just missed the point I was trying to make to you earlier.

You can be concerned for the hostages and the Palestinians. Anyone with a heart would be. But the marchers and Keir Starmer's opinion is not going to make a blind bit of difference to either side as far as I can see.

Jews should not be scared in the UK and they are currently because of the marches. Which are pointless anyway.

In any event, these cannot be described as Islamophobic views.

@Limesodaagain If they remain in the country after their claim has been processed and rejected yes they would be here illegally and certainly wouldn't be put up in a hotel so no there aren't overlaps between those two groups I am talking about. The majority of claims are valid and accepted but the Tories decimated the home office staff required to process claims efficiently hence people are stuck in the system staying in hotels unable to work or do anything until their claim is processed. Spreading misinformation that those people are here illegally and that the government is funding illegal immigrants is dangerous.

They are nominally asylum seekers, those that actually get intercepted and don't disappear into the shadow economy, but you already know this I'm sure.

Yes - I’m just pointing out that there is overlap between the two groups. And until asylum has been granted they might well be “illegal immigrants “

Although the religion question on the census is voluntary. A quick google told me that about 94% of people answered it. I never answer it.

I don't think the marches are pointless. I think it's important to show the government that we don't want them to arm Israel, that we oppose what's happening in Palestine. I wouldn't ever want to live in a society when we can't protest about atrocities, especially when we are arming one side and the government is standing with one side, and not the other.
If any Jewish people feel unsafe then this needs to be addressed urgently. As many people have pointed out, Jewish people do attend the marches themselves. More and more Jewish people are speaking against Israel.

Is there a reason why when a thread is opened about Islamophobia , the thread moves to talking about asylum seekers , illegal immigrants and the law?

Why are these two related? Does anyone know the main religion of the asylum seekers (anyone has got official data ? I was checking it and ONS doesn’t collate this data)

in the uk, there is 5% of Muslims (I think I saw in a previous post) not all will be asylum seekers. Many of them will have born in this country. Many of them are integrated in the local communities. So I’m unsure why the talk has moved to asylum seekers

Guess you are the 6%

To be fair @Applepie321 , scirocco does actually post about prejudice against other minority groups, and as a Muslim it makes sense she’d start a thread to discuss this report, as it’s personal and relevant to her.

For being Muslim? I doubt it. The poster asked why people weren’t discussing how Muslims were treated in China. I suggested that it was because the “treatment” is rather overshadowed by the slaughter being rained down on Gaza because the inhabitants are Muslim.

Your maths is spot on

For being muslim? Or for lobbing rockets, suicide bombs, Oct 7th massacre, hostage taking...

I think the issue is that most illegal immigrants claim asylum and are therefore supported for the time it takes to judge whether they’re genuinely in need of asylum. It takes a long time to assess the cases so huge numbers of illegal immigrants do need to be housed and supported etc.
I think the response to @quantumbutterfly post was unfair because she was accused of being hateful and spreading misinformation and I don’t believe she was doing either of those things.
It is a contentious area and calling people names to silence them is counterproductive.

Anyway … as pp have said … Islamophobia is a completely unacceptable and irrational response to a ( in some ways ) justifiable concern.

People really should keep their nasty religions to themselves

I'd have left out the "nasty" since the interpretations some put on them aren't necessarily the fault of the religions themselves, but otherwise I agree - though for me that applies to all religious belief and not just selected ones

It's also sadly true that too many on the right wing relish stirring up division, but then so do some community leaders themselves and none of it is helpful - least of all to the thoroughly decent majority who only want to get on witheir lives in peace

There was an interesting piece in BBC world service with a Vietnamese man who was granted asylum in the U.K. who said he lied to obtain it.

Obviously it’s hard to say how often this will occur, but the system will accept this outcome. He will stay as privacy was a condition of the interview. His reason for speaking up is that it usually ends in working in cannabis farms or similar and would like the message to get out there that it’s not worth it.

I recommend the interview. I have nothing against this person and I don’t blame people for trying within a system that creates profit for smugglers as it’s inevitable people will try, but since he doesn’t think it’s a good idea after all I question why this is the best set up.

Also if we have a few places going I would prefer a woman and daughters from Sudan to have a place of safety instead. For this reason I’d say the system isn’t doing that well as it is.

In fairness I asked you several times to clarify your point and you didn't. You denied they were pogroms aimed at a particular ethnic group and denied they were carried out by the far right. It should be obvious to you that these real attacks on the Muslim community are causing fear for British Muslims and it's made worse when people won't even recognise the danger they're facing.

It would make a massive difference if the UK took action in response war crimes actually, especially when they are potentially implicating the UK. We have the RAF doing thousands of intelligence missions over Gaza so when our own military is witnessing these war crimes, our government can't claim ignorance. The public have a right to call on the government to stop sending weapons to a country we know are using them to commit war crimes, and to impose sanctions.

Again as I said on my post, we are in agreement dependant on what people are scared of. I mean, children's art from Gaza promoting world peace had to be removed from a hospital as it was made some Jewish people feel threatened. I don't agree with that. If there is violence or aggression towards Jewish people then that's to be condemned and stopped. Muslims are scared in the UK also and I don't think they should be facing violence and aggression. If however a British Muslim felt scared because people were carrying an Israeli flag I wouldnt be supportive of those people having to take their flag down.

The thread was opened about an article, the article was discussed, the discussion developed, as they do. Has just touched back to CITME after I wondered if it was in the right place. You'd probably figure it out if you read the thread but you might not want to.