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Conflict in the Middle East

Gaza 2 years from now -will the Palestinians ultimately emigrate?

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mids2019 · 17/11/2024 06:05

I think one thing that is looking increasingly inevitable is that Gaza is soon to become uninhabitable from the point of a view of people having the prospect of something akin to a comfortable healthy life with prospects for future generations. The infrastructure looks like it is beyond the reasonable prospect of repair in a time frame less than decades.

From a simply humanitarian point of view will there be moved to emigrate Palestinians as the reality is simply none would want to live or being up children in a wasteland? With he Trump team seeming to to be supportive of some of the ambitions of Israel will there become a real politik of mass displacement of people in the future and the abandonment of Gaza as a habitable piece of land?

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OolongTeaDrinker · 18/11/2024 18:45

Where would they go though? Surrounding nations do not seem to be opening up their borders.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 18/11/2024 18:46

Toomanywars · 18/11/2024 18:37

So never able to move on or create new lives.

It’s not because of UNRWA. All refugees under OCHR have the same rights as refugees under UNRWA. The difference is due to Israel refusing the Palestinians their right of return. I am sure a poster will say there is no such thing, but there is under the UN for all refugees.

Toomanywars · 18/11/2024 18:46

Whatsinanamehey · 18/11/2024 18:42

Why should they have to 'move on' when that is their home? It would be most convenient for Israel if they would right? Makes it so much easier to take what's left of the land that they haven't already taken.

3 generations later that might have never lived in the area not being able to settle in their new country because they are eternal refugees as per unwra. Other peoples decendants aren't perpetual refugees are they.

Toomanywars · 18/11/2024 18:47

OolongTeaDrinker · 18/11/2024 18:45

Where would they go though? Surrounding nations do not seem to be opening up their borders.

I wonder why. As many countries found out previously it didn't work out eg Jordan

Whatsinanamehey · 18/11/2024 18:49

It's quite obvious that Israel's long term plan is to occupy Gaza and take over the whole of the west bank. All this distasteful talk of ethnic cleansing disguised as voluntary emigration does work in their favour.

Dulra · 18/11/2024 19:30

Toomanywars · 18/11/2024 18:46

3 generations later that might have never lived in the area not being able to settle in their new country because they are eternal refugees as per unwra. Other peoples decendants aren't perpetual refugees are they.

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.

It is not unique to UNWRA refugees. A durable solution has not yet been found, there is still no Palestinian state and Gaza is still occupied.

Other peoples decendants aren't perpetual refugees are they.
They are if no durable solution has been found for them.

Oodiks · 18/11/2024 19:38

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 18/11/2024 18:46

It’s not because of UNRWA. All refugees under OCHR have the same rights as refugees under UNRWA. The difference is due to Israel refusing the Palestinians their right of return. I am sure a poster will say there is no such thing, but there is under the UN for all refugees.

So, where are all the other refugees displaced before 1951? There are Palestinian refugee camps all over the ME, why are they the only ones still in camps?

DonutRings · 18/11/2024 19:58

Toomanywars · 18/11/2024 18:46

3 generations later that might have never lived in the area not being able to settle in their new country because they are eternal refugees as per unwra. Other peoples decendants aren't perpetual refugees are they.

No, 'other people's descendants' are given the automatic right to citizenship of Israel - a land noone in their family in the last 3 generations (at least), to use your example, had ever set foot in.

Toomanywars · 18/11/2024 20:24

Dulra · 18/11/2024 19:30

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.

It is not unique to UNWRA refugees. A durable solution has not yet been found, there is still no Palestinian state and Gaza is still occupied.

Other peoples decendants aren't perpetual refugees are they.
They are if no durable solution has been found for them.

Edited

It's a shame that the 2 state solution wasn't agreed when it was on the table then.

It feels like the situation will go on indefinitely.

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