Gaza 2 years from now -will the Palestinians ultimately emigrate?

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I think one thing that is looking increasingly inevitable is that Gaza is soon to become uninhabitable from the point of a view of people having the prospect of something akin to a comfortable healthy life with prospects for future generations. The infrastructure looks like it is beyond the reasonable prospect of repair in a time frame less than decades.

From a simply humanitarian point of view will there be moved to emigrate Palestinians as the reality is simply none would want to live or being up children in a wasteland? With he Trump team seeming to to be supportive of some of the ambitions of Israel will there become a real politik of mass displacement of people in the future and the abandonment of Gaza as a habitable piece of land?

There's the small matter of their homeland being razed to the ground in the last year.

There are already Israelis circling the land sizing up their plot. Some of Gaza is prime real estate.

I believe the plan is for it to become a mass grave which will be concreted over and built on. The government have tried to force people out but surrounding countries aren't playing ball.

The rhetoric is that Palestinians are terrorists or support terrorists and like martying themselves and their children. They haven't been seen as human beings for a very long time.

Before the war their healthcare and education outcomes were very similar to other countries with similar GDP - education rather better I think. They had a functioning healthcare and education system - no-one would pretend it was perfect but it certainly wasn't among the worst.

Of course there will be Palestinians left. Population of millions.

The fact that they have been kept perpetually as victims for many years with billions in aid rather than solutions sought to move forward to be self sufficient with UNWRA appearing to like that situation hasn't helped at all.

When the war is over billions will be spent and aid ongoing probably instead of looking at longer term solutions and keeping them as always needing aid. They had great education and hospitals due to the billions in aid rather than expecting their government of Hamas to spend taxes collected on improving gaza etc. That situation must change. Hamas must go.

It was pretty good and funded from aid. Hamas never contributed.

There wasn't prior to hamas starting a war with Israel. There fixed it. Hamas need to be accountable for what they brought onto their own people. Apparently they knew the response would be huge but didn't care anyway.

Yes, it was my understanding that the Palestinians that Jordan allowed in set about overthrowing the Jordanian monarchy.

It is among many reasons why Palestinians struggle to find acceptance in the Muslim world.

No you didn't fix it, unless you advocate for hospitals being bombed and medical staff tortured FFS.

@Toomanywars where is your moral compass if you even have one? How can you so blatantly excuse and absolve Israel of their war crimes?

Don't be so silly. Stop twisting words. Hamas didn't need to attack Israel which led to this current conflict. The healthcare and education funded by aid was good before so hamas and their poor decisions are at fault.

Too many posters infantilising Israel as some sort of helpless toddler that has no impulse control and therefore can't be blamed for the thousands of civilians they have murdered and not even blamed for the countless hospitals they have bombed, it's just all - he started it!

It's difficult to accept people that would attempt to overthrow or bring problems to your own country. Many countries don't offer sanctuary to Palestinian people. They have been held in a situation that should have been resolved years ago.

What words did I twist? Is Israel at any fault for bombing hospitals and murdering and torturing healthcare workers or not?

https://news.sky.com/story/he-was-the-light-of-my-life-and-i-lost-him-how-a-famous-surgeon-died-in-an-israeli-prison-after-being-taken-from-gaza-hospital-13253157

They are prepared to die there so I doubt they'd voluntarily leave.

Extremely poor healthcare now. There wasn't before the conflict. It was funded by aid from other countries as was their education. Fact. Hamas launched an attack that led to this conflict knowing full well it would lead to conflict but they didn't care. They still refuse to release their 'bargaining chips' real life people who are held hostage.

Hamas could step aside and let a neutral organisation run Gaza. They won't. On it goes. Israel have done a lot wrong, too much to list. They still have support against terrorism though. If the terrorists stepped aside they have no support and this would end rapidly.

@Toomanywars do you know that after Israel bombs civilians, and then bombs the hospital that they would recieve care in for their injuries, they then often refuse the patients to leave Gaza for treatment? Children as young as two who have had multiple limbs amputated are refused by Israel to recieve care outside of Gaza. Why?

They can't leave. Surely you know that.

The point made by someone that the healthcare is poor now. It is. Wasn't before Hamas launched their attack. That was my response. Its accurate. It was good before and after Hamas attack and response it is poor.

Hamas could be held account. Maybe hamas might be encouraged to step aside if they weren't being encouraged to continue by people never blaming them for any of the outcomes that they clearly knew would occur.

Do read the proceeding conversation. A poster was commenting on what happened in Jordan after they accomodated Palestinians. Disaster. Makes some countries reluctant to offer help.

You say Gaza has a population of millions, therefore some will survive in Gaza. I think the population was around 2.1 million. The Lancet estimate of roughly 200k dead in less than a year suggest to me that the entire population will be dead in 10 years, at that death rate. Of course, there are multiple factors to consider, such as the spread of disease and malnutrition and starvation, which could reduce extinction to even 5 years, 'When the war is over' is a pointless scenario to consider now, in my view. There is no sign of it being over, Trump appears willing to continue financing it. The priority is to stop it now, then there may be some people left whose future you can speculate upon.

Wasn't before Hamas launched their attack. That was my response. Its accurate. It was good before and after Hamas attack and response it is poor.
Yes that is accurate, it's also accurate to say there is virtually no healthcare now because the IDF have bombed all healthcare facilities and have blocked medical equipment getting into Gaza.

Surely it's irrelevant if even critically ill children who've been bombed by Israelis who can't get medical attention because Israel has bombed the hospitals can't leave Gaza.

Iirc it was not just Jordan. Kuwait, Lebanon and I think one more, but not sure

It was relevant to "jordanians did the right thing". I did not in any way imply that Gazans can leave Gaza anyway

Because of UNWRA, they, and their children, and their children's children (on the male line only) will ALWAYS be Palestinian refugees, no matter where they live. Palestinians can never truly emigrate because they are always counted as refugees, unlike other refugees who are allowed to integrate into new countries and build new lives.