Ireland, is this true?

[SR71Blackbird]

Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

I said that and I'm the only person who said that. I believe Ireland is too soft criticising some countries because of the economic cost of doing so. I would saw this, in particular in relation to the US. They did raise human rights concerns with china when they visited last year - it did go far enough- no.

Ireland is an ally of Britain now by the way. We were merely putting our non involvement into context for you.

But no it doesn't narrow it down to criticism of Israel. Of the top of my head - South American wars of independence, South African apartheid, the Iraqi war, Darfur, Syria, Myanmar ... t

I agree with all of this. I don’t think Ireland is any more anti semitic than other European countries It’s just a very tense and troubling time for Jewish communities across Europe and I think it’s right to address any fears they have about the escalation of antisemitism.
But this thread has probably run it’s course and is now going round in circles

When you say 'some' though, I think most people are applauding Ireland. I live in a different country and I work with a few different nationalities. I don't tend to discuss politics at work... however, when this issue is brought up by others, most are aware of Ireland stance on this, and applaud it, and wish their government had the same stance.

Absolutely. The number of Irish posters here is notable. It is also notable how calm and measured I believe the responses and discussions have been.

Not one person has denied that antisemitism exists... yet the same empty accusations continue to roll.

Thanks for this. It's a very in depth read and covers many of the issues raised on this thread

Who has said either of things? Nobody!

'Some of my best friends/neighbours are Irish/Muslim/black/gay/ jewish' has never been and will never be an adequate response to members of a community saying they are facing discrimination.

My comment above obviously relates to this comment . Obviously I don't know your mother's neighbours.

@SharonEllis

There's no point in going round and round in circles on this. We have all have to agree to disagree. Everyone has a right to an opinion and all that.

I'm not clear of your view? Do you think Ireland an anti Semitic state ?

And my comment was to highlight that I am not ignoring Jews concerns in Ireland I know them I interact with them regularly I am well aware of their reality.

Missed this response to me

Not sure what you're trying say. My point was in your response to your claim:
Across the thread I'm seeing really amazing pushback against a minority speaking of their experience.
And demonstrating that I don't push back I hear first hand from the Jewish community and understand better than your links can ever teach me.

From the security council meeting today. I think that just about sums it up.

This is not from Ireland but from Haaretz (Israeli newspaper), and reports what Israeli soldiers who have been in Gaza, not Irish people, are saying about the IDF’s operations there. There seems to be a degree of agreement though. The Israeli Embassy in Ireland must be unaware of it.

Accounts of indiscriminate killing and the routine classification of civilian casualties as terrorists emerged repeatedly in Haaretz's conversations with recent Gaza veterans. 'Calling ourselves the world's most moral army absolves soldiers who know exactly what we're doing,' says a senior reserve commander who has recently returned from the Netzarim corridor. 'It means ignoring that for over a year, we've operated in a lawless space where human life holds no value. Yes, we commanders and combatants are participating in the atrocity unfolding in Gaza. Now everyone must face this reality'" – Yaniv Kubovich

Most of the world wept with America when the towers came down.

The outpouring of support was immediate, unconditional, unwavering.

When George W Bush decided that he would go to war, not only against those who attacked them, but against every old score on the books as well, the tide turned.

The demonstrations across most of the world wide, against this policy were immediate, unconditional and unwavering.

It was called anti American, but it was anti Bush, his government and his policy.

Most of the world also wept with Israel when Hamas poured over the border and raped and slaughtered everyone in sight.

The outpouring was immediate, unconditional, unwavering.

Then Netanyahu decided to go to war, not only against those who attacked them, but against every civilian and child in sight.

So the tide turned there too. Immediately.

It is called anti Israel but it is anti genocide.

This is a really positive thing - it shows that most humans don't like the slaughter of other humans, or an unfair fight.

All this distraction by the State of Israel, these accusations of racism, are designed to undermine the moral authority of those brave enough to call out the sustained horror in Gaza and moral bankruptcy of the Israeli government.

Trying to make an equivalent out of the Palestinians who are reduced to living in conditions that defy belief while trying to make sense of their grief and trauma, to a few dozen people who live in warmth and safety in a Western European country, that has laws in place to protect them, reveals everything about the claimants.

The easiest way forward for Israel is to open Gaza.

Prove that it was not a genocide; show the world that they are wrong, and demands apologies.

@ScrollingLeaves

I feel like the problems for Israel are MASSIVE.

I wonder about all those men who invaded Gaza, but will have to go back into civilian Israeli life soon knowing that they committed murder; of children, and innocent civilian adults of both sexes. Rape too.

How does that work? Israel is a small country - how do they absorb that?

I also feel that the propaganda by the Israeli government on its own people - everybody hates us/you/we are not safe anywhere/ etc must have some very negative consequence for the population.

I know that I see it with my Israeli friends, a slow but definite shift, a feeling of insecurity, of suspicion and fear of other, fear of traveling outside of Israel now.

I agree, it must be undermining their beliefs and identity. I’d be beside myself if I had an 18 year old son sent into hell to be led into becoming what is basically a murderer in many instances even when their own life is not in danger.

This is from an IDF soldier from that same Hasretz article:

After a day or two, the bodies were buried by a bulldozer in the sand. "I don't know if anyone remembers they're there. People don't understand – this doesn't just kill Arabs, it kills us too. If called back to Gaza, I don't think I'll go."

I don't think your post relates to mine but that aside I do need to remind you that this bit is simply not true.
Most of the world also wept with Israel when Hamas poured over the border and raped and slaughtered everyone in sight.

Within hours there were people on the streets celebrating (I personally saw someone on my way home from work the very next day) not just in the UK but around the world. People who normally reach for their phones to post on social media when sonething globally significant happens were silent - my social media feeds were black for George Floyd & BLM. Nothing for the victims of Hamas. Regardless of what you may thing of the way tbe war developed there were people completely opposed to Israel's right to respond from the start. There were large sections of the pooulation that celebrated Hamas's act of 'resistance'. We need honesty about this.

Within hours there were people on the streets celebrating (I personally saw someone on my way home from work the very next day) not just in the UK but around the world.

Of course some people will have celebrated. If people had/have skin in the game and support the Palestinian people/Hamas/hatred of Jews/hatred of Israelis, then yes, they would have celebrated.

However, you would be hard pressed to back up any claim that they were a majority.

my social media feeds were black for George Floyd & BLM. Nothing for the victims of Hamas.

But mine were, full of it. Full of compassion, anger, disgust and nothing but support for Israel and the victims.

I don't know how you saw nothing. What are your algorithms picking up on and why?

Regardless of what you may thing of the way tbe war developed there were people completely opposed to Israel's right to respond from the start.
There will always be people who do not want war.

And, as long as there are humans there will be sexism, racism, xenophobia, anti semitism, slavery, poverty, war, the lot.

Because humans are going to be human.

Nothing will ever stamp out all the "isims."

Of course some countries will push back against Israel's right to defend itself.

But most, and certainly the ones that count, do not.

In fact, Israel has been given carte blanche.

So there is that.

Illuminating response, thank you. I'm interested that you think it was inevitable that people in the UK would celebrate the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust, an attack that shocked even quite hard headed people in its gratuitous brutality. I have to say, I didn't think it was inevitable that people who support Palestine would celebrate this attack so openly & with so much joy. Nor did many others and thats why the response was so shocking. And faux innocence about algirithms, really. It was much commented on at the time. So, fine, be blase about it but please don't tell us that hatred of Jewish people, and turning a blind eye to it, doesn't have a bearing on the ongoing response to the conflict.

I’m in London and I was horrified by the people who celebrated October 7th the day after it happened. It was shocking and disturbing.
I don’t think celebrating like that happened it Ireland? But if it did it I think it would be rightfully condemned.
I am sorry. I can imagine it was very painful to see people celebrating such a horrific event.
It was also horrible to see people tearing down posters of the hostages- as if they didn’t matter.
I can understand why Jewish people felt very vulnerable when they saw these things.

So, fine, be blase about it but please don't tell us that hatred of Jewish people, and turning a blind eye to it, doesn't have a bearing on the ongoing response to the conflict.

Please know that it has no bearing on the Irish government’s, and the vast majority of the Irish people’s, ongoing response to the conflict - which is the point of this thread. Oct 7th was unimaginably horrific. I am so very sorry it happened.

I never saw any celebrations of October 7th in Ireland personally or on my social media. in work and conversations with friends it was seen as barbaric.
I would immediately unfriend anyone that did put on my social media .

It was a horrific attack on innocent people and anyone who celebrated it has no right to now see themselves as anti genocide and murder now.

You can see both sides as the awful events they were/are.

Same. I didn't see anyone say anything even vaguely positive about the attack on October 7th 2023 in Ireland. I work with a lot of people who have spent years active in pro-Palestinian causes and nothing like that was said, never mind celebrations.

It's almost as though Ireland doesn't have a major anti semitism problem and mainly just abhors oppression and genocide.

I see the Israel has accused the Israelis of looking to establish settlements in Egypt. Is this a senior moment? There's been no issue with Egypt since the 1979 peace treaty (a good example of how Israel does withdraw from territories in return for peace). Or has he decided that any old bs is a vote-winner as long as it criticises Israel. Where will he think of next? Laos? Swaziland? Note also the breach of Syrian sovereignty destroying chemical weapon sites so they don't fall into the hands of jihadis. Some would think that's a good thing, but clearly not Higgins. I'm beginning to see why Saar took the decision he did...

Sorry - Irish president has accused the Israelis....