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hellohellooo · 17/12/2024 19:00

Well I'm Irish

Let's just say THE TRASH TOOK ITSELF OUT 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

mollyfolk · 17/12/2024 19:15

TrishM80 · 17/12/2024 18:57

How many desperate and impoverished children has First World, white, nuclear superpower Israel buried under rubble today?

But remember folks, they're the "good guys"!🙄

That's not accurate. Israel is not white. More than half of Isreal are non white.

Toomanywars · 17/12/2024 19:24

TrishM80 · 17/12/2024 18:57

How many desperate and impoverished children has First World, white, nuclear superpower Israel buried under rubble today?

But remember folks, they're the "good guys"!🙄

What's with the Israel white narrative? Does it fit better when hatred is poured on.

Are you aware that Jewish people originally came from the area Judea.

Dulra · 17/12/2024 19:37

mollyfolk · 17/12/2024 18:06

He was licensed to perform them in the uk not in Ireland. I would assume preforming unlicensed medical procedures is a really serious offence. But it is right they let him home in the end.

Mad that it must have been someone close to the family who called the guards.

www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41448373.html

Mad that it must have been someone close to the family who called the guards.
Yeah I thought that how else would they have known, so someone close to the family must have had concerns

peonym · 17/12/2024 19:41

Where did the OP go after this nonsense?

SharonEllis · 17/12/2024 19:46

TrishM80 · 17/12/2024 18:57

How many desperate and impoverished children has First World, white, nuclear superpower Israel buried under rubble today?

But remember folks, they're the "good guys"!🙄

In what sense is Israel 'white'? When did Israel become a superpower? Do adults really think in terms of good guys and bad guys?

Afreebird · 17/12/2024 20:02

peonym · 17/12/2024 19:41

Where did the OP go after this nonsense?

Disappeared after the thread didn't go the way they wanted probably.

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:26

mollyfolk · 17/12/2024 18:12

@Alwayslookonthe

*Suggesting that there is a significant difference between Ireland asking for an expanded “definition” versus an expanded “interpretation” is either a misunderstanding, or, at worst, an intentional attempt to deflect.

What it does highlight however, is that under the current definition of genocide along with the interpretations from precedents, Israel is not committing genocide.*

Just your standard crimes against humanity so. They should carry on so. Nothing to see here.

Ireland asking to expand the definition to accuse Israel of genocide is literally an admission that Israel does NOT commit a genocide.

Why the desperate desire to make the word fit?

The specific reason people call this war a genocide is to equate it with the crimes of the Nazis. This is in line with an old antisemitic trope of equating Jews to Nazis to demonise them and insult them as much as possible. There are many ways to criticise Israel and the way the war has been prosecuted, language here is being used as a weapon.

TrishM80 · 17/12/2024 20:27

SharonEllis · 17/12/2024 19:46

In what sense is Israel 'white'? When did Israel become a superpower? Do adults really think in terms of good guys and bad guys?

White in the sense that most of their govt are descendant from Europeans.

Superpower in the sense that they have a nuclear arsenal and are backed financially and militarily by the United States and other western countries.

And "good guys" in the sense that anyone who doesn't slavishly and without question admit that Israel are the "good guys" and the Palestinians deserve everything that is happening to them is automatically an antisemite.

Martymcfly24 · 17/12/2024 20:35

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:26

Ireland asking to expand the definition to accuse Israel of genocide is literally an admission that Israel does NOT commit a genocide.

Why the desperate desire to make the word fit?

The specific reason people call this war a genocide is to equate it with the crimes of the Nazis. This is in line with an old antisemitic trope of equating Jews to Nazis to demonise them and insult them as much as possible. There are many ways to criticise Israel and the way the war has been prosecuted, language here is being used as a weapon.

Are you seriously suggesting that the only reason that what is happening in Gaza is being argued by the highest courts is a genocide is a anti semitic trope.

Do you think that little of the lives of Palestinians that people are only trying to support them in their hour of need to use an antisemitic trope.

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:43

Martymcfly24 · 17/12/2024 20:35

Are you seriously suggesting that the only reason that what is happening in Gaza is being argued by the highest courts is a genocide is a anti semitic trope.

Do you think that little of the lives of Palestinians that people are only trying to support them in their hour of need to use an antisemitic trope.

Israel is judged by different standards.

If it was anyone else, they would probably settle for a word (or term) already available: massacre, mass slaughter . . .

Because let’s face it genocide DOESN’T fit unless it is changed it to fit.

Auvergne63 · 17/12/2024 20:45

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:26

Ireland asking to expand the definition to accuse Israel of genocide is literally an admission that Israel does NOT commit a genocide.

Why the desperate desire to make the word fit?

The specific reason people call this war a genocide is to equate it with the crimes of the Nazis. This is in line with an old antisemitic trope of equating Jews to Nazis to demonise them and insult them as much as possible. There are many ways to criticise Israel and the way the war has been prosecuted, language here is being used as a weapon.

They call it a genocide because that is what is happening in Gaza, according to reputable, trustworthy and renowned organisation as well as Holocaust survivors. Are they all antisemitic?
Ultimately, the court will decide if it is a genocide, not you nor I.
Gideon Levy has written about this.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-01-14/ty-article-opinion/.premium/if-it-isnt-a-genocide-in-gaza-then-what-is-it/0000018d-040c-dd07-a7df-cf7e8b980000

If it isn't a genocide in Gaza, then what is it? | Opinion

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https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-01-14/ty-article-opinion/.premium/if-it-isnt-a-genocide-in-gaza-then-what-is-it/0000018d-040c-dd07-a7df-cf7e8b980000

Martymcfly24 · 17/12/2024 20:48

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:43

Israel is judged by different standards.

If it was anyone else, they would probably settle for a word (or term) already available: massacre, mass slaughter . . .

Because let’s face it genocide DOESN’T fit unless it is changed it to fit.

Your right they are judged by different standards.

No other county would be funded by a foreign country to engage in "mass slaughter" or a "massacre" of a people so they can settle their land and still be seen as the victim.

Cannotorwillnot · 17/12/2024 20:49

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 15:42

It is par the course as usual, anyone who calls out Israel for their genocidal tactics against the Palestinians, is tarnished an anti-semite. I can predict that over the weeks, we will be seeing a more concerted smearing campaign against Ireland, to demonise and discredit. As is the pattern seen against any voices who oppose the wrong doings of Israel.

So you don’t see any problem with referring to Auschwitz as a "prisoner of war camp"?

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:49

@Auvergne63
They call it a genocide because that is what is happening in Gaza,

Obviously not, if they have to expand definitions to make it fit.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/12/2024 20:50

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:49

@Auvergne63
They call it a genocide because that is what is happening in Gaza,

Obviously not, if they have to expand definitions to make it fit.

What would you call it?

JaneJeffer · 17/12/2024 20:58

Cannotorwillnot · 17/12/2024 20:49

So you don’t see any problem with referring to Auschwitz as a "prisoner of war camp"?

What is this in reference to?

Dulra · 17/12/2024 21:09

Don't know who this guy is but sounds like a right prat and a liar

Kindatired · 17/12/2024 21:17

How does one cancel a country & what power does Israel have to do that?
Here’s the recipe: Take a few facts. Describe them in emotive language. Publish them in a sensationalist rag or a via a propaganda agent mascarading as an NGO with a worthy name. Then write an article in a more mainstream publication of a “hang em, flog em” type quoting the original report, “study”. Get a conservative politician to make a speech referencing layers one and/or two. Eventually the facts form the basis for a spiral of false propaganda.
Let’s start with

  1. Limerick pogram ( Antisemitic preacher +stone throwing boy in city made famous by “Angela’s Ashes”). The Jewish people who went to Limerick struggled and left, the ones who stayed in Cork thrived. Sporadic incidence of antisemitism x2. Simon Montefiore’s family stories might be true, but 1904 if you owed money in Limerick????? I wouldn’t take it personally tbh as many non Jews probably had to take a hit or risk getting beaten up- this was a garrison town at the time and very rough
  2. Children from a non-denominational Educate Together secondary school tormented a Jewish kid by doing Nazi salutes to show their disapproval of the carnage wreaked by the IDF on the civilian population of Gaza. This seems to be an individual breach of school policy by pupils rather than evidence of widespread anti semitism.
  3. Former TD Chris Andrew’s offered “Free Palestine “ bracelets outside a Dublin school. He supports a two state solution. He wasn’t doing it as part of his role as a Public representative, he didn’t force them on anyone. We have I ❤️ Israel bracelets that my teen brought home. So….
  4. Textbooks. Discussed ad nauseum here. Choice of textbook up to individual year head and choice can be overseen by Board of Management. So mum of teen who is herself on Board of Management of the private fee paying Jewish school gives an interview complaining about the civics books her school chosen to use. The problem appears to be that the teens are asked to empathise with Palestinians in the occupied Territories. Nothing that wasn’t based on fact was in the civics books. Offending images in primary school books have been updated. There have been no complaints from the Buddhists or the Jehovah's witnesses that they were not shown to be carrying out good works even though each group is about 4 times bigger in size than the Jewish community .
  5. A city councillor who was not raised or educated in Ireland said the entire US economy was “ruled by Jews” and later withdrew the remark and apologised.
So take these facts and others in the same vein then add the Ireland Israel Alliance, a mysteriously funded NGO whose aim appears to be is to generate the raw materials for propaganda to undermine Irelands voice on the international stage.
Lalaloveya · 17/12/2024 21:17

Alwayslookonthe · 17/12/2024 20:26

Ireland asking to expand the definition to accuse Israel of genocide is literally an admission that Israel does NOT commit a genocide.

Why the desperate desire to make the word fit?

The specific reason people call this war a genocide is to equate it with the crimes of the Nazis. This is in line with an old antisemitic trope of equating Jews to Nazis to demonise them and insult them as much as possible. There are many ways to criticise Israel and the way the war has been prosecuted, language here is being used as a weapon.

This post is outrageous.

Consult a dictionary because you don't seem to understand the meanings of the words "definition" and "interpretation".

Believe it or not this isn't about the state of Israel. It's about the tens of thousands of people it has killed in Gaza, and the millions displaced, and the litany of war crimes and crimes against humanity that Israel has committed against a civilian population.

JaneJeffer · 17/12/2024 21:24

Dulra · 17/12/2024 21:09

Don't know who this guy is but sounds like a right prat and a liar

I won’t click on any links from that poster

Martymcfly24 · 17/12/2024 21:27

JaneJeffer · 17/12/2024 20:58

What is this in reference to?

The textbook thread I presume where one textbook that has a whole chapter on the Holocaust that was appropriate and factual at one point referred to Auschwitz as a prisoner of war camp instead of a death camp.

Clutching at straws if would seem.

Piverlool · 17/12/2024 21:29

samG76 · 17/12/2024 18:15

No - it would have been legal to perform circumcisions in line with Jewish tradition in Ireland and he was legally allowed to do so, but "non-religious" circumcision is considered a medical procedure rather than a religious ritual and requires a separate medical license. The Irish courts seem to have decided that a muslim circumcision counts as a non-religious one, which seems very questionable. At any rate, if it had been the other way round - with a imam trained in the practice performing it on a Jewish baby, I suspect it would have been treated rather differently.

At any rate, if it had been the other way round - with a imam trained in the practice performing it on a Jewish baby, I suspect it would have been treated rather differently.
And I suspect this comment shows your own prejudice very clearly @samG76 !

mollyfolk · 17/12/2024 21:31

@Alwayslookonthe

If it was anyone else, they would probably settle for a word (or term) already available: massacre, mass slaughter . . .

"Only" a bit of mass slaughter eh.

Anyway. I'm not going to argue that it's genocide because I don't have the legal background to do so. You don't need a qualification in human rights law to realise what's happening in Gaza, and the West Bank and now in Syria is wrong.

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