Ireland, is this true?

[SR71Blackbird]

Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

No - that wasn’t my point

This was my comment
“Sadly Christians of all denominations are persecuted widely across the Middle East . It’s not limited to Israel and spitting is the mildest expression of persecution compared to what happens elsewhere ( not justifying it - just providing context that Israeli mistreatment of Christians is nothing like as bad as that of other countries)”

Well you clearly didn't understand the article. It was at his fresh bail hearing that the chief rabbi vouched for him and he was granted bail.

So he was sent to jail and then not provided for, with regards to food and prayer requirements.
I'm sure he can make a complaint about that. Was it unfair or was it pretty standard shit accommodation in an Irish prison? I've not been in one so don't know. Are you aware of the prison conditions where you live? How do they compare?

I see now that you implied I am antisemitic because I'm Irish which is pretty offensive

Are people suggesting that someone should have been allowed to carry out an illegal medical procedure without repercussions? Ridiculous!

At the original hearing - the one where he was sent to jail- Chief rabbi also vouched for him.

You can infer what you like. I haven’t called anyone antisemitic.

Exactly. Can you imagine a British woman suffering domestic violence to be told oh well it could be worse imagine if you were in Afghanistan!
This is the same thing.

I kindly suggest you read @OpheliaWasntMad 's post where she/he stated, and I quote, "persecution against Christians is widespread and more severe in many other countries".
This might be a fact but it is minimising, none the less, the marginalisation against Christians in Israel.
https://www.arabamerica.com/the-marginalization-of-christians-in-historic-palestine/

At the original hearing - the one where he was sent to jail- Chief rabbi also vouched for him.
That's not what the article states or any others I have read on it. So unsure where you're getting that from?

You can infer what you like.
I don't want to infer what I like I want you to explain what you meant which you haven't done.

I’m not minimising the suffering of Christians. I’m pointing out that’s it’s much wider than has been suggested on here.
It’s particularly difficult for Christians in Gaza because they have been persecuted by both extremist Israelis and extremist Hamas supporters. They are very much an endangered group and there are hardly any of them left because of the persecution received from both sides in the conflict.

I read your comment and I still believe you are minimising the experience of Christians in Israel. I don't understand why.
Surely, any form of persecution is wrong. It is worth adding that the persecution of any groups starts on a "small" scale. If left unchallenged or worse approved by the state, it soon escalates. History has taught us this if nothing else.

Another example would be when my husband was subjected to racist abuse in the UK in the 80s and these would have been dismissed because it is worse for people of colour in SA.

I’m definitely not minimising.

I could say it is minimising to only want to talk about one kind of persecution and ignore others.

www.persecution.org/2024/05/01/christian-prescence-in-gaza-at-risk-of-disappearing/

www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2011-006179_EN.html

That is absolutely not what I’m doing as I’m sure you know .

The treatment of Christians on the West Bank by extremists is wrong
The treatment of Christians by Hamas supporters in Gaza is also wrong.
Im not minimising- I’m just not prepared to accept a narrative that says Israel is mainly responsible for Christian persecution in the region.

I accept the argument that the Israeli government needs to get its own house in order before it accuses other countries of mistreating their Jewish citizens .

I think that is a very valid point.

I did bring up the more widespread persecution of Christians primarily because people don’t know enough about it.

Israel is mainly responsible for Christian persecution in the region.
No one has said this but this thread is about Israel, not other countries in the ME.
Of course, I am aware of what is happening to Christians in the region and it is definitively worth a new thread on the matter. Maybe you should start one.

"I’m just not prepared to accept a narrative that says Israel is mainly responsible for Christian persecution in the region"

@Opheliawasntmad absolutely nobody has said this and it's been explained many times why the treatment of Christians in Israel was brought up in relation to the criticism of Ireland by the Israeli government. I'm not sure what about that is so difficult to understand.
I even suggested starting a thread on persecution of Christians in general but you seem adamant to only want to discuss it on this thread where it has no relation to.

No 😣
I didn’t want to carry on this discussion at all.
I just felt I needed to respond to @Auvergne63 ’s repeated accusations that I’m minimising Christian persecution.
Id much rather this derail stopped here . But if people persist in trying to twist what I’m saying I will respond.

He was licensed to perform them in the uk not in Ireland. I would assume preforming unlicensed medical procedures is a really serious offence. But it is right they let him home in the end.

Mad that it must have been someone close to the family who called the guards.

www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41448373.html

@Alwayslookonthe

*Suggesting that there is a significant difference between Ireland asking for an expanded “definition” versus an expanded “interpretation” is either a misunderstanding, or, at worst, an intentional attempt to deflect.

What it does highlight however, is that under the current definition of genocide along with the interpretations from precedents, Israel is not committing genocide.*

Just your standard crimes against humanity so. They should carry on so. Nothing to see here.

No - it would have been legal to perform circumcisions in line with Jewish tradition in Ireland and he was legally allowed to do so, but "non-religious" circumcision is considered a medical procedure rather than a religious ritual and requires a separate medical license. The Irish courts seem to have decided that a muslim circumcision counts as a non-religious one, which seems very questionable. At any rate, if it had been the other way round - with a imam trained in the practice performing it on a Jewish baby, I suspect it would have been treated rather differently.

You have no way of knowing what would have happened if it was an iman and this anti Irish conjecture is getting a bit wearing.

Look he broke the law that's all there is to it plain and simple.

@samG76
Where are you getting this from?

He broke the law in Ireland. It's as simple as that. It has literally nothing to do with people being Jewish or Muslim etc.. if he had circumcised an adult Jewish male he would have still broke the law.

How many desperate and impoverished children has First World, white, nuclear superpower Israel buried under rubble today?

But remember folks, they're the "good guys"!🙄