Ireland, is this true?

[SR71Blackbird]

Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

Aye, it sure would be good if we went around saying that every 5 minutes for no particular reason, right.

Do you want to know if I care about racism too? Or sexism too?

I don't think this thread concerned antisemitism at all. I think it was all about Irish bashing, from the OP.

This whole debate is because I said I didn’t think the Irish curriculum was anti semitic but I did think Jewish people felt vulnerable at this time and there should be some consideration for their concerns .
I don’t think that is a particularly controversial position to take but there you go ..

Hit the nail on the head.

Well - it depends on the thread topic

To be honest, I quite like the idea!
If I had a £1 for every time I have heard the sentence starting with "You, French,..." I would be a millionaire! My favourite of all time is "You, French, are sex mad".

Okay fine.

Since when is saying that you agree with a racist comment not racist?

And to suggest that most people who answer yes to "do Jews have too much influence" and "do Jews talk about the Holocaust too much" simply don't understand the question is naive at best. If someone phones me up and and saying their from x organisation conducting a survey about y would I like to answer some questions l, and I don't want to, then I say no thanks and hang up. I don't sit there and agree with awful racist comments cause I think it might be funny to have this person think I believe awful things.

You seem utterly determined to make excuses for antisemites.

Nobody said it was controversial. However we're then shown a link that 'proves' there are 600,000 irish antisemites, based on the responses of 100 people who were randomly phoned.

If you want to have a genuine conversation, give us genuine stats and facts that prove Jewish people in Ireland are facing more hate than any other group currently. Don't give us sensationalist bullshit. Nobody is here for that.

Ok, it's clear you don't get it. That's fine.

I haven’t given you any links or statistics or sensationalist bullshit ?

You're right. I do not understand who someone who agrees with a racist comment could ever be not racist. You clearly think they can, which is a bit disturbing.

The article is clear about why it has an issue with Greta Thunberg, "which boasts a picture of anti-Zionist climate activist Greta Thunberg on its front page." There are plenty of other climate activists they could have showcased instead of choosing Greta.

I can understand your concern but I do ( sort of ) get what @HelenHen means ..
There are some people who will deliberately “mess” with the interviewer in order to mess up the results of a survey . It’s not funny but it might satisfy a childish and mischievous desire to mock or undermine something “official “ . I’m not condoning it ..
( eg some election polls are famously out of kilter with the actual voting ( US election/ Brexit) which might be a similar thing )

Disturbing? You know nothing of Irish people. Honestly if I could explain it in one post I would, but I can't. If you think those hundred people prove that there are 600,000 Irish antisemites then there is just no talking to ya.

If someone agrees with an antisemitic comment they are antisemitic. Nothing to do with "understanding Irish people".

It's pretty impossible to explain to somebody who doesn't understand Irish people. To try and explain would just make it sound even worse.

I think it comes down to Irish people being generally distrustful of authority and keeping their real opinions close to their chest.

I 💯 get that .
But I do also get that Jewish people across Europe are feeling very concerned about the rise in antisemitism ( btw I’m not a supporter of Israel’s government in any way )

Except that the textbook, published in 2022, long predates Greta expressing any opinion on the conflict. Claiming the writers and publishers put her on there because of “anti-Zionism” is an anachronism.

Screenshots of the offending Call to Action textbook showing cover with Greta and that it was published in 2022.

Yes and when the textbook is republished she will probably no longer feature on the cover, she possibly doesn't already I'm not familiar with the textbooks.

I get that too! Everyone is afraid right now.

Articles like this will only serve to make Irish people feel like they are being attacked by Israel. It's unlikely to draw any sympathetic feelings. That does not mean there is no sympathy...

Yes, it will likely be the turn of another activist to be featured as the textbooks get republished as the curriculum is updated. Perhaps the Trump blimp will also go? The covers tend represent key persons and events in the few years prior to publication.

So the fact they chose a person known to have become recognised for her work at the age of the junior cert students didn't occur to you 🤦‍♀️

Or the fact she is one of the most popular among most young people? Really?

You really aren't getting it are you. It is very plausible given the method of extrapolating the numbers that the questions were not clear. No would have no faith in any research when basic and I mean basic methodology is not applied.

I think it’s really difficult for kids to be in an environment where the majority of your peers see the ethnonationalist state for your co-religionists killing tens of thousands of people soo brutally in response to a brutal attack that affected a small fraction of that number. The reactions of the schoolmates presumably run through a spectrum from bored indifference to outright antisemitism. The only specific allegations of actual antisemitic actions arise in relation to a couple of incidents in an Educate together non denominational school, but this probably is a fluke of geography.

The Jewish chronicle has changed in character from a good newspaper to a sinister propaganda rag.

But I think that Maurice Cohen’s concerns should be carefully considered. There should be a clear pathway to investigate a credible claim of this nature, probably via the Human Rights and Equality commissioner and such a pathway doesn’t seem to exist in the no man’s land between equal status acts and incitement to hatred. But maybe there is such a pathway but it’s not widely known?