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[EricInk]

I can't believe how unbalanced the media reporting is of the events last night

The maccabi fans were behaving atrociously and inciting conflict the entire day, pulling down flags, chanting 'fuck Palestine' and intimidating Dutch Arabs

The Israeli government have some control in controlling which road ‘everyone’ takes with regard to the temperature everywhere and the promotion of all sorts of conspiracies? Forgive my clumsy quoting, but I’m trying to detangle what you posted as it reads like you’re suggesting Israel controls the global narrative and I just wanted to make sure.

Your post reads awfully like Israel (ie Jews) are controlling the media and well, I think we all know what that is.

As I said, look it up. You persist in denying that is offensive. Why?

Clearly not.

I mean, Israelis are the nicest people on the planet, are total and continuous victims, have absolutely no history at all of racism, discrimination or violence, are known for fair play and always take accountability.

The large Jewish diaspora agrees with the above and will defend them no matter what they do.

Any opinion to the contrary firmly shows that you are actually a secret but transparent anti semite who wants to commit violence against Jewish people everywhere.

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@Lolapusht

I don't think any of you were educated during the 1980s/1990s or you would remember the absolutely horrific homophobia that was normalised. Children would also be lucky to learn about the Holocaust, maybe a page or two in a textbook. Most of us learned about it from TV series like The World At War.
S28 banned promotion of LGBT. That extended pretty much to any mention of it at all. And then there was AIDS. Books were removed from libraries.

Yes I was educated in the 80/90s. I have a memory of a page in a history textbook explaining the pink triangle.

I agree that the Amsterdam police sitting back and watching Israelis racist and anti Arab behaviour is only going to make more division. Locals should have been protected by the police from the behaviour of the Israeli fans in the days before the match. The message that the police sent out loud and clear was 'We don't care about you.' Then Israelis were flown away with no charges brought, there as far as I can see has been no apology and no sanctions from football bodies who are supposedly trying to stamp out racism in football. The way this has been handled will do nothing to stop division and hate.

Because he HATES Arabs.

You have forgotten to include being are pro-Hamas, a terrorist lover, a useful idiot, a leftie and so on. I and many others have been called all these.

@Lolapusht
I don't know who and how control the media, but he fact that most media are not free and biased is obvious.
What I meant is Israel government has control over the IDF and can start complying with the international laws and norms.

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When do you think I was educated?! You’ve just removed 20 years from the possibilities so it should be quite simply for you to guess.

I definitely remember the terrifying AIDS adverts. I can’t remember every word spoken in The World At War and I wouldn’t want to be accused of having a selective memory or not ever having watched it, but did they say that it was only Jews who were victims of the Holocaust?

Oh, and s28 had no reference of T.

Thank you I totally agree with you, it's very clear what people's intent is when they say "never again" referring to all and any genocides including those who are Holocaust survivors themselves. The Maccabi songs have no good intent, they are racist, genocidal and they are singing about real children actually being murdered right now and so many posters can't even muster up condemning it. But you say "never again" with good intent of a message of anti violence and that all human life is equal and suddenly the word grotesque comes to their minds. I can't follow the logic.

As I said, look it up. You persist in denying that is offensive. Why?

Because I don't agree. It's a somewhat outdated term, it isn't abusive.

I don't think any of you were educated during the 1980s/1990s or you would remember the absolutely horrific homophobia that was normalised

You'd be wrong. I had family with a love of history, and I read.

I’m going to ask Gay X if ‘homosexual’ is now offensive because I must have missed that memo. I know quer devs is. An fg and f**t, but homosexual 🤨

The terms homosexual / heterosexual are not offensive.
It’s the tone and context that might make it seem offensive

@Lolapusht @Comedycook you do have selective memories.

Homosexuality was legalized in Scotland on February 1, 1981, when the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act came into effect. This was 13 years after the Sexual Offences Act was passed in 1967, which decriminalized private homosexual acts between men over 21 in England and Wales.

No way was there a textbook with the pink triangle here. The communards used it in their single covers- no one knew what it meant.
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Section 28* refers to a part of the Local Government Act 1988, which stated that local authorities in England, Scotland and Wales "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality"

No one knew what that meant either so no one taught it.
Romanticising the past is unhelpful.

Logic is pretty thin on the ground in the arguments you've mentioned. So it's hard to find, never mind follow.

@Lolapusht Trans did exist. Have you seen cabaret? However in the 80s it was seen as a medical condition.

Why Is the Word "Homosexual" Considered to Be Offensive? | Psychology Today United Kingdom

I know.

But part of what stood out to me was that a country “at war” has enough no war for its citizens to travel for tourism and a sporting event.

Palestinian's would not be able to and not simply because flights cannot get in or out.

and let’s not make any mistakes here - this is ALL about Gaza.

Certainly if the Macabi hooligan chants were anything to go by.

Why Is the Word "Homosexual" Considered to Be Offensive? | Psychology Today United Kingdom

I was another one who had no idea that other people, as well as Jews (who made the vast majority and we should all remember that) were killed in camps until the early 2000s, I was shocked when I learnt this. I'm in my 50s, I bet loads of people my age still have no idea. I once mentioned the others killed on one of these threads and was rounded on by several posters. One posted a link to about how the others shouldn't be mentioned and the holocaust was only about the Jews and talking about them was like saying to 'all lives matter' in response to black people talking about racism. My comment about the others was only in passing as well, I was in no way trying to centre others or diminish the Jewish experience.

As for 'Never Again' sadly this is complete and utter rubbish and for me has lost all meaning for the simple fact that it has happened again. And again, and again.

I also had no idea homosexual was now consider offensive. I spent the late 80s and 90s in gay clubs, back then 'queer' was a slur, seems itr's not now.

How I learnt about the other groups targeted and killed by the Nazis was talking to a gay friend about Schindler's List, the film. He told me that gays and others were also rounded up. I think if he hadn't have told me, I likely still wouldn't know.

Maccabi Tel Aviv

Not only do the Israeli club’s supporters have a reputation for genocidal racism (their motto is “Death to the Arabs”, supplemented with the chant, “May Your Village Burn”), but many of those who traveled to Amsterdam have during the past year served in the Israeli military’s genocidal campaign against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

I am French and the teaching of WW2 and the Holocaust was extensive in secondary schools. That was 40 years ago.
We were shown films of the camps and taught in details about what the Nazis did. Coupled with my family experience under German occupation, I learnt a lot about what happened.
My great aunt was sent to Auschwitz. She survived. She was in the French resistance. I feel it is important to remember all who were murdered. 12 millions died. Every single one matters.