Amsterdam

[EricInk]

I can't believe how unbalanced the media reporting is of the events last night

The maccabi fans were behaving atrociously and inciting conflict the entire day, pulling down flags, chanting 'fuck Palestine' and intimidating Dutch Arabs

I think it's awful that your DD feel this way. They should not feel like that in their home.

Yes. There are legitimate reasons why Jewish people living in Europe feel threatened and worried by the repercussions of the Middle East conflict.
We should all take responsibility in making sure the strong emotions about the Palestinian situation don’t cause violence and threatening behaviour in our own countries.
Too many people posting here just want to continue saying the same things about Gaza.
The situation for Palestinians is terrible but that’s not the topic here.
Jewish people are as entitled as all of us to feel safe and protected by the society they live in, work in and contribute to.
If I were Jewish- I would feel very perturbed at the way this conflict is spreading.

I don't understand your point? What is it that you object to from the article?

Thats what football fans do. They taunt and jeer & can be pretty bloody nasty. You need to be able to spot the tipping point. This violence was partly planned & orchestrated and went beyond the cut & thrust of football rivalry to turn into hunting Jewish people down and attacking them. That is different. The construction of that also headline shows bias by suggesting there was an equivalence in fan behaviour.

You are very one sided so you are a hypocrite. All you are doing is blaming the Israelis for everything. Well I’m not buying it, we have to start holding these Arab groups responsible for THEIR actions. Let’s be clear, no one forced them to be violent. Saying things never justifies physical violence, that’s a dangerous mentality. Jews have been subjected to anti semitic chants long before this football game all across Europe. Let’s ignore all the pro Palestine marches where they have called for violence against Jews and celebrated October 7th. You are being one sided because you are ignoring these facts.

@EasternStandard @SharonEllis the idea that this is a pogrom is truly absurd. If you read the article which interviews actual Dutch residents of Amsterdam you'll see that while they are scared it was not aimed at them but at Israeli fans. In fact the more worrying thing is that Ajax fans call themselves " the Jews" and opposing fans chant hideous antisemitic slogans at matches.
(Ajax aren't Jewish. It's just a football thing. )
So it's obviously deeply embedded in Dutch society and no surprise that crowds of hooligans turned up in response to a dog whistle.
It's still important to say that groups of football fans turning up to a city and making revolting chants about dead children and also disrespecting the flood victims in Spain, using pyrotechnics in the stadium and posting gloating TikToks of all this hardly constitutes a pogrom.
A pogrom ( ethnic cleansing) is where dominant and well armed groups attack people in their own homes, destroy those homes and businesses and drive them out, through unchecked violence, because of their race or origin and usually in response to a particular crime which has been weaponised to justify the response.

So no. Not a pogrom. Football hooliganism and engrained antisemitism.

Ethnic cleansing / pogroms are happening in other places in the world. Some of them perpetrated by Israel.

nothing to say about the Israeli Maccabi fans mocking thousands of dead Palestinians by singing and clapping and jeering?
This is why I can't take these threads seriously, it is extremely one sided with selective outrage.

It's shit behaviour but it's not extreme physical violence. That's the difference.
You'd have howled in outrage if a bunch of Jewish people had got hold of the arseholes pulling down the pictures of the kidnapped Israeli hostages and beat the shit out of them.

An article from Sky here

https://news.sky.com/video/amsterdam-attack-it-is-the-same-feeling-i-had-on-7-october-13250710

Indeed

Only with Israeli fans do they find a problem. Anyway it wasn't because of that it was because they were Jewish. Never forget, don't t excuse ever.

Yes.
There has been anti semitic chanting etc on a regular basis associated with the marches in London but that hasn’t resulted in violent retribution by gangs of Jewish people.
There is a double standard here.

You'd have howled in outrage if a bunch of Jewish people had got hold of the arseholes pulling down the pictures of the kidnapped Israeli hostages and beat the shit out of them.

Not really, unlike all of you who are wide eyed In shock that someone would resort to physical violence after thousands of dead children were repeatedly mocked. If someone repeatedly ripped hostage posters and they got beaten up for it, I would think they had it coming.

And yet plenty are doing so. This thread is an example of said minimisation.

How very revealing. Interestingly that is not how the Jewish community or their allies have responded to a year of constant provocation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2y33ee1klo

If someone had gone infront of the Maccabi fans and starting singing and clapping and jeering about dead hostages would you call that just something 'that football fans do'?

If I were Jewish- I would feel very perturbed at the way this conflict is spreading.

As a Jew I am more than perturbed.

Well perhaps you missed in the news how pro- Palestinian students in America were regularly beaten up and attacked by those who aligned themselves as pro-Israeli.

Unfortunately yes. I'd expect a bit of back & forth. Im getting the feeling you have never been to a football match. You should hear the hissing sounds (gas chsmbers etc) at Tottenham matches etc. I've never heard of organised Jewish gangs in response. This was different, it seems. There was organisation, deliberate chasing people down etc.

This was different, it seems. There was organisation, deliberate chasing people down etc.

If that is the case then you have a point.

I’be not seen the report you mentioned. I don’t doubt it’s true but I’ve done a quick Google search and could only find reference to Jewish people being attacked . I think that suggests that the threat is mainly in one direction.
eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/11/07/jewish-students-attacked-depaul-university-chicago/76107181007/

Just one example

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/ucla-campus-violence-protests

If someone had gone infront of the Maccabi fans and starting singing and clapping and jeering about dead hostages would you call that just something 'that football fans do'?

I've seen plenty of footage of that over the last year at the marches, it's hardly confined itself to football rivalries.