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[EricInk]

I can't believe how unbalanced the media reporting is of the events last night

The maccabi fans were behaving atrociously and inciting conflict the entire day, pulling down flags, chanting 'fuck Palestine' and intimidating Dutch Arabs

I certainly did miss those reports of regular violence. I'm aware of some limited violence around the anti-Israel encampments but not pro-Palestinians in tbe US being regularly targetted and beaten up. What we were actually talking about was tearimg down of posters of hostages & yellow ribbons. You said anyone who did that would 'have it coming to them' if they were attacked. In fact there havent been attacks - though lots of evidence of people calmly trying engage, discuss & understand.

This is the only report I can find. Not regular targetting and beating up is it?

Here's another one

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/23/alleged-chemical-attack-columbia-students-pro-palestine-new-york#:~:text=NYPD%20investigating%20alleged%20chemical%20attack%20on%20pro%2DPalestine%20Columbia%20University%20students,-This%20article%20is&text=The%20New%20York%20police%20department,Columbia%20University's%20campus%20last%20week.

This morning in Amsterdam:
https://x.com/mihaschw/status/1855069710955479301

Thank you. They are worried for their children as am I 😢

I also come from a minority, although one that is not having an awful time like you are.
I would rather here what you have to say so thank you for sharing that post, in retrospect perhaps my posts have not shown enough understanding on one side.
It's the constant one sidedness from people who have no skin in the game that irks me.
Like the racist post above this one who thinks they are being supportive.

*hear

Does anyone have links or recommendations of initiatives to help the innocent Jewish people targeted and attacked in Amsterdam?

There are multiple threats against pro Palestine demonstrators and the Muslim community in general. The famous video of a British IDF returnee behaving despicably to Muslim girls on the Underground. Not to mention the disproportionate arrests and court cases against demonstrators on trumped up charges such as the appalling prosecution of the c#c#n#t protestor, the arrest of peaceful anti Israel Holocaust survivors, girls having their headscarves removed and the entire circus of the riots and violence of the summer, thinly veiled racism, threats to burn asylum seekers in their accommodation.
Antisemitism is not especially the worst kind of racism, it is just one kind, and while it's despicable there is no zero sum game to see who is the most deserving victim. It's actually sickening that instead of being able to see all of these football hooligans/ ultras as criminals, the identity of the Israelis makes their trauma somehow more valuable than the Muslim taxi drivers who were attacked, or the people who were put in fear and alarm by idiots running about with iron bars or by the abhorrent chanting about dead children. Three failures here - UEFA for letting Maccabi fans tour after their performance in Greece- police in Amsterdam for failing to manage the situation adequately- media for further whipping up fear of random antisemitism in the general Jewish community, when it's obvious this is ongoing football fan culture that everyone has a responsibility to tackle.
There's no doubt that this post will be called Antisemitism, because I refuse to say that human beings have a hierarchy of value. Discrimination, racism and oppression are bad things and all perpetrators are wrong. All victims deserve justice, no matter who they are.

Could you, please, provide links to this?

ismu · Today 10:42

There are multiple threats against pro Palestine demonstrators and the Muslim community in general. The famous video of a British IDF returnee behaving despicably to Muslim girls on the Underground. Not to mention the disproportionate arrests and court cases against demonstrators on trumped up charges such as the appalling prosecution of the c#c#n#t protestor, the arrest of peaceful anti Israel Holocaust survivors, girls having their headscarves removed and the entire circus of the riots and violence of the summer, thinly veiled racism, threats to burn asylum seekers in their accommodation.
Antisemitism is not especially the worst kind of racism, it is just one kind, and while it's despicable there is no zero sum game to see who is the most deserving victim. It's actually sickening that instead of being able to see all of these football hooligans/ ultras as criminals, the identity of the Israelis makes their trauma somehow more valuable than the Muslim taxi drivers who were attacked, or the people who were put in fear and alarm by idiots running about with iron bars or by the abhorrent chanting about dead children. Three failures here - UEFA for letting Maccabi fans tour after their performance in Greece- police in Amsterdam for failing to manage the situation adequately- media for further whipping up fear of random antisemitism in the general Jewish community, when it's obvious this is ongoing football fan culture that everyone has a responsibility to tackle.
There's no doubt that this post will be called Antisemitism, because I refuse to say that human beings have a hierarchy of value. Discrimination, racism and oppression are bad things and all perpetrators are wrong. All victims deserve justice, no matter who they are.

Hear, hear. You are not anti-Semitic, you are anti hate and violence, whomsoever it comes from.

Three failures here - UEFA for letting Maccabi fans tour after their performance in Greece- police in Amsterdam for failing to manage the situation adequately- media for further whipping up fear of random antisemitism in the general Jewish community, when it's obvious this is ongoing football fan culture that everyone has a responsibility to tackle.

Yes the police in Amsterdam and UEFA have questions to answer .
But do you really think the media is at fault for “ whipping up fear of random antisemitism”?
To clarify- you think think these anti semitic gangs who hunted down and physically attacked innocent Jewish people (leaving them in fear for their lives ) should be just classed by the media as regular “ football fan culture”….

I agree with your final paragraph

Could you, please, provide links to this?

If you want to go back and look at the various antisemitism threads in this section there are plenty of links posted there documenting events.
However I'm going to assume you're not asking in a spirit of genuine curiousity.

Interesting that you also think the media is to blame for “whipping up fear of random anti semitism”. I presume you would also rather ignore the fact that only Jews were targeted and put this down to “football fan culture “ 🙄

There's no doubt that this post will be called Antisemitism, because I refuse to say that human beings have a hierarchy of value. Discrimination, racism and oppression are bad things and all perpetrators are wrong. All victims deserve justice, no matter who they are.
My feelings too. I find it disturbing that antisemitism and Islamophobia were not equally called out by the Dutch government. Both were present.
To also think that minimising the racist chants of some Maccabi supporters as what some football fans do is wrong.

No. My point is that discussions of apartheid, or otherwise are not relevant to this thread.

Interesting that you also think the media is to blame for “whipping up fear of random anti semitism”. I presume you would also rather ignore the fact that only Jews were targeted and put this down to “football fan culture “ “

Israeli fans targeted Palestinians, to a much lesser degree, the previous evening.

The racist chants is one thing ( and obviously abhorrent) but it is something we are used to from football hooliganism.
The planned, orchestrated targeting, the hunting down and the physical violence against a particular ethnicities on the grounds of that ethnicity is a completely different order of offence .

No. My point is that discussions of apartheid, or otherwise are not relevant to this thread.

Completely relevant, Sharon. Are you saying this dreadful incidence was not related to the situation in Gaza?

So you think the media should ignore the grave implications of the orchestrated attacks on innocent Jewish people because that’s “whipping up fear of random anti semitism”

Absolutely unbelievable that you are excusing the abuse of Jewish people in Amsterdam because of Gaza.

And if you’re not using it as an excuse then it’s not relevant to this thread