Hamas don’t want peace

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A two day ceasefire was offered to them in return for four hostages but they declined. Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, said Hamas “once again refused to release even a limited number of hostages to secure a ceasefire and relief for the people of Gaza”.
Isreal has now offered a million dollars for each hostage and safe passage out of Gaza for their captors. Hamas have yet to respond.

They are not dying; they are being murdered, by any means available to the IDF.
This isn't a war. A war is a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country. Gaza isn't a country.
Of course, Hamas orchestrated 07/10, helped by the Israeli government who ignored the warnings and by the IDF taking 6 hours, yes 6 hours, to respond to the attack. I won't mention the Hannibal directive. How many lives could have been saved if only the warnings had been heeded and the response immediate?
Certain groups would lap up the propaganda.
The irony!
The result is a massive increase in anti semitism.
And Islamophobia.
no one here has been able to state a viable alternative response by Israel.
I, and many others, have but it is ignored.

The suggestions like negotiate just don’t work as Hamas refuse to negotiate and actually negotiating with Terrorists creates a bad precedent.

States have always negotiated with them, it's standard and entirely normal. It IS precedent.

We all know Hamas are shite, but Netenyahu has also refused to negotiate. Both sides have asked for things they know the other won't accede to. There was a Guardian article last week, by an Israeli insider, describing just that.

I think Hamas are in a different place to where the relevant Northern Irish parties were. I assume people have the intelligence to see the difference.

What are Hamas’s demands likely to be? What will Israel want? If Hamas get what they want this time, they will just keep going the same.

Maybe Egypt is the route through which aid can be brought into the country easily?

And @Auvergne63 it certainly is a war. People die in wars. How bizarre you try and claim otherwise.

Maybe, if the Palestinian people aren’t powerful enough to get rid of Hamas, the other Arab nations should have worked with Israel to get rid of Hamas )and Hezbollah) to keep the region stable.

And it certainly is a war. People die in wars. How bizarre you try and claim otherwise.
Not bizarre.
As Chomsky said, "Wanton killing of innocent civilians is terrorism, not a war against terrorism" or "Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defence, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armour, no command in control, no army and calls it a war".
I fully agree with him.
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What Hamas did on October 7 was abhorrent and they clearly do not have the best interests of Palestinians in mind. But, if you think there was peace in Gaza prior to 7/10 you are utterly deluded.

If Israel and her supporters do not recognise the harm they have done to Palestinians over the last 100+ years it's incredibly unlikely that there will be peace.

Maybe first there needs to be recognition of the harm that has been visited on the Jewish people over the last 3000 years initiated by the people’s of the surrounding areas.

It doesn’t really matter what you agree with. Just because one side has better equipment doesn’t make it not a war. If it makes you feel better we could call it self defence

Chomsky - the man who defended the right to holocaust denial? The anti Zionist?

Why stop of 3000? Why not go back to 100 000 years ago?

I tell you what, why don’t you do a little research, exercise those little grey cells and maybe you could reach a conclusion why 3000 years ago just might be relevant to this conversation and why 100,000 years ago really isn’t.

@Feelingathomenow Sorry, I have two few little grey cells.
I don't remember what happened 3000 years ago. Just asked my grandma, she doesn't remember either.

The little research I could do with my few cells just showed I wasn't alive then.

Oh well. Pointless engagement then.

I see. It's a fair engagement only for those 3000+ years old. Good luck then.

3000 years FFS 🤣

Or you could do a little research? Are you suggesting that we only know about things we have a living memory of? What we’re you doing at school when other people had history? Or are you incapable of conceptual using anything you haven’t personally experienced

You might think your ignorance is funny, but all it shows is you have limited understanding of the current crisis. No wonder your conclusions are poorly formed.

@Feelingathomenow

I believe we know even less than the living memory.
I also have very limited belief in myths. Was it before George killed the dragon or after?
And the current conflict can be solved by people living now in the interest of people alive now.

Wtf are you on about? Are you ok hun? Have you posted on the right thread?

So tell us all what was happening 3000 years ago @Feelingathomenow. We're dying to know.

Sorry, need to recompose my cells. The George and the dragon question was in the hope that you knowing the history of the past 3000 might have an answer.

Stop Babbling and do some research. But I suspect it will all be Lost on you. But from those times the Writing was on the Wall for how Jewish history would go.

It doesn’t really matter what you agree with. Just because one side has better equipment doesn’t make it not a war
Unless you back up your opinion with facts, such as why it is a war, then this is just your opinion. Look up the definition of an armed conflict v a war.
Chomsky - the man who defended the right to holocaust denial? The anti Zionist?
Have a read of this. It is important to hear what he actually said.
The Faurisson Affair
Are you conflating anti Zionism and anti semitism?
Extract from the Jewish voice for Labour.
"Antisemitism is hostility to or prejudice against Jews. It can be based on a variety of perceived characteristics, which can be economic, social, psychological and/or physical.
Zionism is a political ideology developed to create a nation state for Jews when many were fleeing persecution. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews.
Some criticisms of Israel and its policies can be conveyed in antisemitic ways just as some criticisms of African countries can be expressed in racist terms.
Defenders of the policies of Israel often deliberately conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism to secure political advantage by demonising its critics as antisemites".

What happened in the bronze age that was so significant for Jewish people?

I think how the Bronze Age relates to the current genocide will be lost on more than just me somehow.