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Hamas leader dead surely the wat between Israel and Gaza and Lebanon must stop now

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Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:15

War not wat can’t edit title oops
Surely Israel have achieved their goal of bringing down the leader of hamas? When I heard that he was dead my first thoughts were that must mean a ceasefire can be done now surely. Or do you think the prime minister of Israel knows his number is up politically soon that’s why he won’t stop the war? Plus we all know a cease fire has to take both sides and just because this leader is dead doesn’t mean another won’t step up
so maybe I am being niave in my point of view

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Abhannmor · 17/10/2024 22:21

Doesn't make one jot of difference to Netanyahu. He is bombing the hell out of Syria, Lebanon , Yemen etc anyway. Why would he stop when his bestie might be elected in the USA in less than 3 weeks? If some deal looks feasible he will blow it up. Literally.

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:24

Abhannmor · 17/10/2024 22:21

Doesn't make one jot of difference to Netanyahu. He is bombing the hell out of Syria, Lebanon , Yemen etc anyway. Why would he stop when his bestie might be elected in the USA in less than 3 weeks? If some deal looks feasible he will blow it up. Literally.

I don't think he's bombing Syria or Yemen

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coffy11 · 17/10/2024 22:24

This won't make any difference. It was never about Hamas.

Fordian · 17/10/2024 22:27

It was entirely about Hamas' relentless incursions upon Israel, yes.

Dariamar · 17/10/2024 22:30

I think it's a hopeful step in the right direction. Sinwar being killed is good for the whole world, not just Israel and Gaza. He was evil. I think getting the hostages back and aid into Gaza will be key... hopefully those in Gaza who oppose Hamas will have their strength boosted and their voices will be amplified.

Oodiks · 17/10/2024 22:31

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:24

I don't think he's bombing Syria or Yemen

The Houthis in Yemen keep bombing Israel, but I haven't heard about an Israeli response and Syria is kind of busy with it's own war.

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:31

Dariamar · 17/10/2024 22:30

I think it's a hopeful step in the right direction. Sinwar being killed is good for the whole world, not just Israel and Gaza. He was evil. I think getting the hostages back and aid into Gaza will be key... hopefully those in Gaza who oppose Hamas will have their strength boosted and their voices will be amplified.

Think since thousands of Palestinians are dead under bombing let's be real here majority of them hostages will be dead to. But hopefully some may be alive still

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Oodiks · 17/10/2024 22:32

Dariamar · 17/10/2024 22:30

I think it's a hopeful step in the right direction. Sinwar being killed is good for the whole world, not just Israel and Gaza. He was evil. I think getting the hostages back and aid into Gaza will be key... hopefully those in Gaza who oppose Hamas will have their strength boosted and their voices will be amplified.

Here's hoping!

Oodiks · 17/10/2024 22:33

Abhannmor · 17/10/2024 22:21

Doesn't make one jot of difference to Netanyahu. He is bombing the hell out of Syria, Lebanon , Yemen etc anyway. Why would he stop when his bestie might be elected in the USA in less than 3 weeks? If some deal looks feasible he will blow it up. Literally.

Who do you think Netanyahu's 'bestie' is?

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:33

Oodiks · 17/10/2024 22:33

Who do you think Netanyahu's 'bestie' is?

Trump he's as right wing as trump

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 17/10/2024 22:41

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:24

I don't think he's bombing Syria or Yemen

Then you need to read up more about the Israel-Hamas war as there have been Israeli airstrikes in Syria starting 10th October last year, Israel has bombed both Damascus and Aleppo international airports. Israeli airstrikes have killed a number of soldiers as well as civilians including a Syrian TV reporter. The war has certainly not been contained to Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon, there have been strikes across the Middle East.

Flatiron · 17/10/2024 22:42

I wouldn’t bank on it. The ‘merry-go-round’ will never stop…A hundred…a thousand Sinwars are in the process of being created right now by Israel’s brutalisation of the children of Gaza.

Oodiks · 17/10/2024 22:44

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:33

Trump he's as right wing as trump

The whole world is truly fucked if the orange one gets elected again.

stomachamelon · 17/10/2024 22:46

Netanyahu has offered annesty to those who hand over hostages.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/10/2024 22:53

Netanyahu has just gone on TV and said the war is not over according to Al Jazeera?
https://aje.io/rc8nyq?update=3255064

bitesthedust · 17/10/2024 22:59

Hunnymonster1 · 17/10/2024 22:15

War not wat can’t edit title oops
Surely Israel have achieved their goal of bringing down the leader of hamas? When I heard that he was dead my first thoughts were that must mean a ceasefire can be done now surely. Or do you think the prime minister of Israel knows his number is up politically soon that’s why he won’t stop the war? Plus we all know a cease fire has to take both sides and just because this leader is dead doesn’t mean another won’t step up
so maybe I am being niave in my point of view

The goal and reason for war is a lot more deeper than killing the hamas leader

SummerFeverVenice · 17/10/2024 23:00

Here is full text of his speech from Times of Israel:

”Citizens of Israel, a year ago we celebrated the festival of Sukkot. At exactly that moment, Yahya Sinwar was making the final preparations for the slaughter of October 7.

I stand before you today to tell you that Yahya Sinwar has been eliminated. The one who carried out the worst massacre in the history of our people since the Holocaust, the mass murderer who murdered thousands of Israelis, abducted hundreds of our people, was eliminated today by our heroic soldiers.”

Today, as we promised we would, we settled accounts with him.

Today, evil suffered a heavy blow, but our mission is not yet completed.

To the dear hostage families, I say: This is an important moment in the war. We will continue with full force until all your loved ones — our loved ones — are returned home. That is our supreme obligation. That is my supreme obligation

To the residents of Gaza, I say: Sinwar destroyed your lives. He told you he was a lion but in practice, he hid in a dark tunnel and was eliminated when he fled in a panic from our soldiers.

His elimination is an important milestone in the demise of the Hamas axis of evil.

I want to say again as clearly as possible: Hamas will not rule again in Gaza.

This is the beginning of the day after Hamas, and this is an opportunity for you, residents of Gaza, to finally be free of its tyranny.

To the terrorists of Hamas, I say: Your leaders are fleeing and will be eliminated.
I say to all those who are holding our hostages: Those who put down their weapons and leave our hostages, we will allow them to come out and live. And by the same token, I say, those who harm our hostages, his blood is on his head and we will settle accounts with him.

The return of the hostages is an opportunity to achieve all of our goals, and it brings the end of the war nearer.

To the people of the region, I say: In Gaza, in Beirut, in the streets of the entire area, the darkness is withdrawing and the light is rising.

Deif, Haniyeh, Sinwar, Nasrallah, Mohsen, Aqil and many of their partners are no more.

I call on you, peoples of the region: We have a great opportunity to thwart the axis of evil and to create a different future, a future of peace, a future in which the entire region thrives. Together we can push away the curse and advance the blessing.

It’s now clear to all, in Israel and the world, why we insisted not to stop the war — why we insisted, in the face of all the pressures, yes to go into Rafah, the fortified stronghold of Hamas, where Sinwar and many of the mass-murderers were hiding.

I want to express deep appreciation to the fighters of the IDF and the Shin Bet, and their commanders, for their determined and brave operations. There are none better than them.

Today we again showed what happens to those who hurt us. Today, we again showed the world the victory of the good over the evil.

But the war, the war, my dear ones, is not yet finished. It is harsh and it takes a heavy price from us. I want to send from the bottom of my heart my condolences to those who have lost their loved ones. I want to embrace the families of our fallen heroes. Their ultimate sacrifice, including in these very days, brings us closer to victory.

As King David said, “I will pursue my enemies and destroy them. And I will not turn back until they are wiped out.”

Citizens of Israel, we are in the war of revival. We still face immense challenges. We need stamina, unity in the ranks, courage, determined resilience. Together we will fight and with God’s help, together we will win.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-netanyahus-address-after-killing-of-hamas-terror-chief-yahya-sinwar/

Whatsinanamehey · 17/10/2024 23:03

Well his speech doesn't give any indication of a war ending any time soon. His political survival is dependant on the continuation of the war.

User37482 · 17/10/2024 23:07

MolkosTeenageAngst · 17/10/2024 22:41

Then you need to read up more about the Israel-Hamas war as there have been Israeli airstrikes in Syria starting 10th October last year, Israel has bombed both Damascus and Aleppo international airports. Israeli airstrikes have killed a number of soldiers as well as civilians including a Syrian TV reporter. The war has certainly not been contained to Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon, there have been strikes across the Middle East.

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Hezbollah are working with the IRCG (who train hezbollah and provide support tot Hamas). They basically hold Homs which is one of the reasons you saw some families from the south choosing to cross over into Syria and go to Homs rather than go north.

ChocolateLemsip · 17/10/2024 23:10

I doubt this will end the war, not even close. The Conflict podcast on BBC is good for understanding the situation. Jeremy Bowen said on there today that Netanyahu had always said he has three aims for the war, two of which remain unachieved. And many believe he needs the war to continue, to avoid a reckoning and examination of his own actions relating to the failure of intelligence on October 7 and in relation to corruption.

User37482 · 17/10/2024 23:14

I think Netanyahu is saying hand over the hostages and we can all stop. I think we are at the point now where if the hostages are returned then Israel will wind down in Gaza. But the hostages must be returned and hamas need to lay down arms otherwise this will not stop

Lebanon is different, they also attacked Israel first but I don’t think Israel is going to leave Hezbollah in a position to attack it in the near future if it can help it. I imagine they are also hoping to defang hezbollah enough so that another civil group can move into the vacuum and the Lebanese army can take over security of Lebanon.

Houthis also struck Israel without provocation and the USA actually bombed them recently not Israel, partly because they are setting fire to cargo ships in the straits.

Hamas have been stealing aid and selling it back to Palestinians according to a Palestinian account I follow on twitter. Aid is getting to people with money not the most needy. Really need freeflow aid and security to be restored in Gaza, the PA need to go in and manage healthcare and food. I really hope that is soon.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/10/2024 23:16

“Saul has slain his thousands,
and David his tens of thousands.” —1 Samuel 18:7

User37482 · 17/10/2024 23:18

I think there has been a lot of pressure on him to find an exit ramp out of Gaza internally. He is not actually a dictator, he can be removed.

User37482 · 17/10/2024 23:19

SummerFeverVenice · 17/10/2024 22:53

Netanyahu has just gone on TV and said the war is not over according to Al Jazeera?
https://aje.io/rc8nyq?update=3255064

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Well yes until the hostages are returned there will still be war. Hamas need to lay down arms and return the hostages.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/10/2024 23:24

User37482 · 17/10/2024 23:14

I think Netanyahu is saying hand over the hostages and we can all stop. I think we are at the point now where if the hostages are returned then Israel will wind down in Gaza. But the hostages must be returned and hamas need to lay down arms otherwise this will not stop

Lebanon is different, they also attacked Israel first but I don’t think Israel is going to leave Hezbollah in a position to attack it in the near future if it can help it. I imagine they are also hoping to defang hezbollah enough so that another civil group can move into the vacuum and the Lebanese army can take over security of Lebanon.

Houthis also struck Israel without provocation and the USA actually bombed them recently not Israel, partly because they are setting fire to cargo ships in the straits.

Hamas have been stealing aid and selling it back to Palestinians according to a Palestinian account I follow on twitter. Aid is getting to people with money not the most needy. Really need freeflow aid and security to be restored in Gaza, the PA need to go in and manage healthcare and food. I really hope that is soon.

@User37482
“I think Netanyahu is saying hand over the hostages and we can all stop.”

What he actually said was it would bring the end nearer, not stop or end the war:
The return of the hostages is an opportunity to achieve all of our goals, and it brings the end of the war nearer.

“Lebanon is different, they also attacked Israel first..”

No, Lebanon has not attacked nor retaliated against Israel. Please do not conflate Hezbollah with the Lebanese military & government.

“Hamas have been stealing aid and selling it back to Palestinians according to a Palestinian account I follow on twitter.”

Must be true then since it is on one Twitter account that says they are Palestinian and we all know Twitter totally verifies the identity of posters and since Musk bought it they really have stepped up the clamping down on fake news. Must mean that the thousands of international NGO workers who have been in and are currently in Gaza have all been lying, even in their letters to numerous heads of state in their home countries all over the West and on the news. Imagine that.

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