How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

While I would like there to be a Palestinian state asap and recognise the injustice of the situation in the WB - and this thread is about Hezbollah, important to point out that the Palestinians never had a state so the land was not occupied from Palestinains.

Prior to 1948, the land under the Brits and previously under Turks was called Palestine. The Palestinian zionists and the Palestinian arabs fought a civil war when the Brits left (at the time, ironically, it was actually the Jewish zionists who identified as Palestinian and the Arabs as Arabs, more aligned with Syria than anyone). After the Palestinian zionists established the state of Israel as soon as the Brits left (Palestinian Arabs did not do that btw), all neighbouring Arab armies invaded the new state and when the war ended, Jordan had the WB and East Jerusalem and Egypt the Gaza Strip. Both Jordan and Egypt have since stated no claims on these areas. So saying "illegal occupation of their land" makes no sense since they never had a state there to begin with and no one seemed to mind when it was Egypt and Jordan there.

As it happens, this is exactly what happened. The girl heard her father's Hezbollah issued pager beep and brought to to him. Very sad but the responsibility for her death lies entirely with her father's decision to bring military equipment home and join a group dedicated to killing kids on the other side.

Oh, we see you Ireland and we know exactly what drives you.

Clearly not @StupidFarang🙄

The Catholic church is no longer powerful here.

People like you seem to (willfully?) confuse Irish disapproval of the actions of the Israeli government with antisemitism...I guess so they can then shrug off the disapproval without even thinking about it.

People like "me", and who are people like me exactly?

Actually, blatant antisemitism (like those of Sinn Fein members in Ireland whcih seems to have had no censure) makes it much harder to advocate for a just peace for all in the region since it allows those who do not wish to take on any criticism of Israel to just point out the obvious antisemitism in cases such as Ireland and apply it to all genuine constructive criticism.

You also clearly have no idea how (the few) Jews in Ireland are feeling at the moment.

And i love the glossing over of the very ugly anitsemitic history in Ireland as "oh well, catholic church isn't as strong any more"

And i love the glossing over of the very ugly anitsemitic history in Ireland as "oh well, catholic church isn't as strong any more"

I wasn't glossing. No 'oh wells'. That was you.

But you're 'talking about things like the Limerick boycott? That was 120 years ago - and instigated by a Catholic priest. Times have changed and Ireland has changed as have most places. I think it's fair to point that out.

By people like you I mean the people who seem to conflate disappoval of the actions of Israel's government with antisemitism.
And this 'we know what drives you' stuff is absolute nonsense. On surveys Ireland scores as less antisemitic than the average Western country.

That Sinn Féin politician Réada Cronin should have been dismissed in my opinion. I've absolutely no time for Sinn Féin anyway. But it's not fair to extrapolate from that utter loolah's online comments (which were a few years ago now, it came out around 2020) to the thoughts of an entire country.

Not supporting the Israeli government's actions does not equal antisemitism.
What has our government said that is antisemitic? Recently now, not 80 or 100 or 120 years ago or whenever.

We called early for humanitarian aid, ceasefires etc and have also been speaking up about the plight of the Palestinians for years now. That's not antisemitism but Israel doesn't like it. So we get the name calling.

Read this article. Jews in Ireland don't feel safe. Are they all "people like me"?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/01/02/oliver-sears-why-are-jews-around-the-world-held-to-account-for-the-actions-of-the-israeli-government/

And the article also asks the following:
"By comparison, the suffering of the Uighurs, the Rohingya, the Yazidi, the women and LGBTQ communities of Iran and Afghanistan, the 100,000 Muslims murdered by Assad in Syria, is met with silence by some of those speaking loudest about Gaza. "
Seems Irish only really care about oppression when Jews are seen as the perpetrators.

A 2014 survey of antisemitism in Ireland found that 52% of the population agreed with the statement that “Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country,” 30% that “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust,” 28% that “Jews have too much power in the business world,” 27% that “Jews think they are better than other people,” 25% that “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind,” and 21% that “Jews have too much control over global affairs.” Charming, especially given that there are only a couple of thousand Jews in Ireland anyway (since Ireland never watned any previously and now few Jews would decide to move to Ireland)

You may not have time for Sinn Feinn but they are elected to the Irish parliament and have taken no steps against her. Richard Barett has also made extremist comments with anti-semitic tones.

What a stupid and blatantly anti Irish comment with absolutely no meat in it. Quoting a few quotes over 100 years and claiming it defines the country.

Ireland was a haven for nobody in the 40s.

And the Catholic church does not define Ireland. I'm sure you're aware that it had an authoritarian grip on the country that has finally been gotten rid of.

Such a vitriolic post against a country that has done nothing but campaign for peace and speak out against genocide and injustices. Why does Ireland trouble you so much? Because you know Ireland sees Israel... and everything it is doing. Ireland won't just let Israel be the mass killer it is without holding a mirror to it. Ireland will continue to do this... and you bringing up comments from 80 years ago or whatever just shows how much it is working.

Thank you for posting. I hope everyone reads it.

This senator sounds lovely.

https://x.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1836868498552725921

Incidentally, Rachel Moiselle is an incredible young lady, a PhD candidate at TCD who has been subjected to appalling antisemitism over the last year, which she has documented, as have her friends who are also Jewish. It would have broken the best of us but she has persisted with her studies.

Although I'm sure her actual experience won't be valid to some.

We called early for humanitarian aid, ceasefires etc and have also been speaking up about the plight of the Palestinians for years now. That's not antisemitism but Israel doesn't like it. So we get the name calling.

It can be antisemitic if 'the plight of the Palestinians' is the only international issue that gets you going. Did you all respond to the events of 7 October with an outpouring of support for the innocent civilians of Israel? Or was it met mostly with the awkward silence that we had here in England peppered with celebrations of the "resistance'. Have the people of Afghanistan and Iran, brutalised by their apartheid governments had the same level of support? Or the victims of the wars in Syria, Yemen, Sudan? If you find that the Palestinians is the only issue that has widespread engagement then I would reflect on that.

What is your actual intention coming onto this thread about a terror attack committed by Israel... and turning it into an attack on Ireland? Please start your own thread if you want to bash something that happened in Ireland in the 40s

😂 why? It's irrelevant. Are you anti Irish too?

Poster is trying to derail by launching an attack on Ireland that is irrelevant to the thread.

No, it's the occupation and war crimes that bother people actually.

What does that have to do with the latest terror attack launched by Israel?

You won't find anyone here supporting antisemitism... so to post a random article irrelevant to the thread is a bit bizarre... yet the attacks on Ireland in this forum are common.

Why is it only Ireland that you bash?

The question is of proportionality as it is accepted throughout the world that there will be some innocent people who may be harmed in any military operation.

It’s not accepted throughout the world. Just because it happens doesn’t mean we accept this. You might. But you don’t speak for many.

We've had loads of derailment on this thread. Always happens by this point in a thread. This is quite useful though because we get quite a lot of posts on these threads rather simplistically referring to Irish solidarity with Palestinians with the suggestion of shared anti-colonial roots etc. Irish posters bring it up & dont get accused of derailment (which is fine)- but perhaps it is time it was addressed a bit & not glossed over, when its clear that Ireland is not immune to antisemtism. And why would it be?

Oh I bash all antisemites, not just Irish ones.

And my DH is Irish, I love Ireland.

Exactly.

I, personally, don't think I could have pressed the button to detonate the pagers knowing that young children, similar to my own, would likely be killed - but I do think it was a legitimate operation given Hezbollah's campaign of terror against Israel.

Oh well, that’s good to know. 🙄

Let me translate your comment: “I wouldn’t have the balls to press the red button, but I’m glad someone else did. Oh and something, something, pretend to care about ‘The Children’, something.”

This is just so boring at this stage. I actually couldn't care less if pro Israel people think Ireland is antisemitic. Having the gall to say do Ireland speak out about apartheid regimes when you actively support a country responsible for apartheid would actually be funny if it wasn't so sad. You have no high horse to climb up on when you are cheering on a country that enacts apartheid and who have been breaking international law for decades. People in Ireland certainly don't actively support countries responsible for apartheid like you do.

Ireland has long had a special relationship with Palestine. It's due to a shared experience of occupation and oppression. That's the very simple reason that Palestine is a more prominent issue here than other far flung conflicts. If you knew anything at all about Ireland you'd know that.

There are a range of Jewish voices in Ireland, the couple of tweets posted here don't reflect that.

Anyway as usual, and in common with Ireland's war, this has nothing to do with religion. It's about land.

And finally, complaining about hatefulness whilst using hate speech and making false accusations against an entire nation is not a good look.

You know nothing about me and precious little about what 'apartheid' is.

I never claimed Ireland is immune to antisemitism. Of course it's not. Just as there are all forms of racism in Ireland... and every other country. It's disgusting wherever it is.

Yes it's fucking ugly but there it is! No doubt there are many forms of racism and prejudice in Israel too.

I can't comment on every post Referring to the reasons for Irish solidarity with Palestine... but any I've seen have been relevant to the post.