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How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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mids2019 · 17/09/2024 18:11

Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

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SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 08:28

StupidFarang · 20/09/2024 08:22

And BTW my thoughts on Irish anti-semtiism and anti-Israelism has nothing to do with Ireland recognizing a Palestinian State. Personally, totally fine with it. It's a bit meaningless really as we are further from there actually being a Palestinian state than we ever have been but I'm totally fine with this being the end goal and if somehow recognising an entity that doesn't actually exist in reality will help make it exist, fine by me. You can be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine - you know, wanting both sides to prosper and do well. It's not a zero sum game (unless you're Hezbollah).

Absolutely.

SunnyZebra · 20/09/2024 08:28

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 07:57

Yes it's fucking ugly but there it is!
Ok, its obviously your right to ignore it, I guess some of us are not so comfortable with it, knowing where it leads.

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Yes, how nice to have the luxury of being able to turn a blind eye to antisemitism. Sadly British and Irish Jews don’t have that luxury because their communities are now less safe. Do you have any idea how it feels to know that your synagogue or your child’s school could be the target of an attack? The level of security is so high now. For the upcoming high holy days synagogues will have several paid security guards, volunteers and police present outside.

We all know where this hatred of Jews leads, it’s just so depressing.
There are posters on this thread who need to ask themselves why they hate Israel so much more than any of the countries committing appalling human rights atrocities. You can call it ‘anti Zionism’ but it’s pretty obvious what’s really underlying it.

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 08:30

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Nasty.

TheOliveGoose · 20/09/2024 08:35

Dulra · 20/09/2024 08:08

This thread is like groundhog day. I give up, yes you are right Ireland are a disgraceful nation of hateful anti-semites.

It really is. A load of people who support a country that breaks international law and enacts apartheid trying to lecture others on morals. You wouldnt give it the time of day in real life if in one breath people were talking about their support for a country responsible for apartheid and then in the next berates you for not speaking out loud enough against apartheid in other countries. It's not worth the time of day here either.

Dulra · 20/09/2024 08:37

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 08:26

Literally nobody said, or even implied that, did they?

Yes the tone of the posts did imply that as did the exclusive focus on Ireland on this thread

HelenHen · 20/09/2024 08:37

whataclownshow · 20/09/2024 08:13

Oh I'm sorry. We'll let you get back to bashing another country. Along with the many hundreds of other threads doing the same.

This thread was initially very interesting with some pretty informed posters until the usual echo chamber turned up to bark at anyone who didn't dance to their tune while offering no substantive and evidenced points.

Echo chamber? 😂 you mean the ones posting 'This' or demanding we reply to another poster?

Dulra · 20/09/2024 08:39

StupidFarang · 20/09/2024 08:27

Lalaloveya · 18/09/2024 15:19
Ireland is against occupation and colonialism, for obvious reasons. Also the country has a defence force rather than a military and prides itself on its peacekeeping missions, UNIFIL included. Leaders speaking out against war crimes and breaches of international law should be welcomed.

To be fair, derailment was already under way but a bit sickening to see this misplaced pride, as though somehow Ireland is a moral giant

So a post two days ago derailed it last night?

Dulra · 20/09/2024 08:44

TheOliveGoose · 20/09/2024 08:35

It really is. A load of people who support a country that breaks international law and enacts apartheid trying to lecture others on morals. You wouldnt give it the time of day in real life if in one breath people were talking about their support for a country responsible for apartheid and then in the next berates you for not speaking out loud enough against apartheid in other countries. It's not worth the time of day here either.

Yes and they obviously missed the role the Irish played in ending apartheid in South Africa our focus is definitely not solely on Palestine

justasking111 · 20/09/2024 08:48

Dulra · 20/09/2024 08:39

So a post two days ago derailed it last night?

It's gone to hell in a hand basket. Derailed completely.

Lalaloveya · 20/09/2024 08:56

StupidFarang · 20/09/2024 08:27

Lalaloveya · 18/09/2024 15:19
Ireland is against occupation and colonialism, for obvious reasons. Also the country has a defence force rather than a military and prides itself on its peacekeeping missions, UNIFIL included. Leaders speaking out against war crimes and breaches of international law should be welcomed.

To be fair, derailment was already under way but a bit sickening to see this misplaced pride, as though somehow Ireland is a moral giant

"gladius · 18/09/2024 14:56

The anti-Israel sentiment continues to flow freely from Ireland then"

It was in response to this, which was in response to an article posted quoting the Irish foreign minister's comment.

Interesting how you read this and saw sickening national pride though.

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 08:59

Dulra · 20/09/2024 08:44

Yes and they obviously missed the role the Irish played in ending apartheid in South Africa our focus is definitely not solely on Palestine

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Well, you're going back a bit, but Israel also had a role in ending apartheid, it had a formal alliance with Pan African Congress I seem to recall. There was huge solidarity among Jewish people in Israel, in the diaspora & Jewish people in SA were prominent in the AA struggle.

HelenHen · 20/09/2024 09:06

SunnyZebra · 20/09/2024 08:28

Yes, how nice to have the luxury of being able to turn a blind eye to antisemitism. Sadly British and Irish Jews don’t have that luxury because their communities are now less safe. Do you have any idea how it feels to know that your synagogue or your child’s school could be the target of an attack? The level of security is so high now. For the upcoming high holy days synagogues will have several paid security guards, volunteers and police present outside.

We all know where this hatred of Jews leads, it’s just so depressing.
There are posters on this thread who need to ask themselves why they hate Israel so much more than any of the countries committing appalling human rights atrocities. You can call it ‘anti Zionism’ but it’s pretty obvious what’s really underlying it.

'Yes, it's fucking ugly, but there it is'

You have taken that as proof that I turn a blind eye to antisemitism? How dare you presume to know me! I take a blind eye to no prejudice. My post was saying there are ugly people everywhere. You can't post a few examples and claim it proves that Ireland is a bed of antisemitism, because you would have those examples everywhere. JUST as you would find examples of anti Irish everywhere... and I've met many of them, not just on this board. I don't post examples though and use it to accuse an entire country of racism. How ridiculous!

And yes of course I know what it's like to be afraid because of who I am. This is nor limited to Jewish people. Again, it's something that saddens me very much but go ahead and disregard this entire comment like the rest of them!

HelenHen · 20/09/2024 09:06

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 08:28

Absolutely.

Echo chamber?

HelenHen · 20/09/2024 09:07

whataclownshow · 20/09/2024 08:24

This.

Echo chamber?

Dulra · 20/09/2024 09:11

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 08:59

Well, you're going back a bit, but Israel also had a role in ending apartheid, it had a formal alliance with Pan African Congress I seem to recall. There was huge solidarity among Jewish people in Israel, in the diaspora & Jewish people in SA were prominent in the AA struggle.

Well, you're going back a bit,
You keep changing the goal posts on time passed .....

I never said Israel didn't have a role in ending apartheid in South Africa. I was highlighting Irelands role because many have claimed Irelands support for Palestine is because of antisemitism and they don't care about occupation or apartheid anywhere else which is simply not true.

StupidFarang · 20/09/2024 09:18

Lalaloveya · 20/09/2024 08:56

"gladius · 18/09/2024 14:56

The anti-Israel sentiment continues to flow freely from Ireland then"

It was in response to this, which was in response to an article posted quoting the Irish foreign minister's comment.

Interesting how you read this and saw sickening national pride though.

More hypocrisy given how Ireland behaved towards Jewish people in ww2, being pretty pally with the nazis.
All this "isn't Ireland wonderful, standing up against oppression and apartheid" is sickening given this history.
In the meantime Irish Jews live in fear

Lalaloveya · 20/09/2024 09:24

StupidFarang · 20/09/2024 09:18

More hypocrisy given how Ireland behaved towards Jewish people in ww2, being pretty pally with the nazis.
All this "isn't Ireland wonderful, standing up against oppression and apartheid" is sickening given this history.
In the meantime Irish Jews live in fear

OK you've made your feelings about Ireland clear. Yikes.

Out of interest, do you support Israel's actions in Gaza?

SababaToo · 20/09/2024 09:24

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SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 09:24

Dulra · 20/09/2024 09:11

Well, you're going back a bit,
You keep changing the goal posts on time passed .....

I never said Israel didn't have a role in ending apartheid in South Africa. I was highlighting Irelands role because many have claimed Irelands support for Palestine is because of antisemitism and they don't care about occupation or apartheid anywhere else which is simply not true.

Its a conversation Dulra. If A makes point and B responds with a related point it does not necessarily mean tbat B is negating the point that A made. Its a way of developing an argument and sharing information. Its quite useful out in society.

HelenHen · 20/09/2024 09:25

StupidFarang · 20/09/2024 09:18

More hypocrisy given how Ireland behaved towards Jewish people in ww2, being pretty pally with the nazis.
All this "isn't Ireland wonderful, standing up against oppression and apartheid" is sickening given this history.
In the meantime Irish Jews live in fear

Well you're going back a bit! 🙄 to quote yourself!

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 09:26

1dayatatime · 19/09/2024 21:55

In the post war 50s and 60s Lebanon was once a peaceful, prosperous and beautiful country and Beirut was described as the Paris of the Middle East. There was frosty but peaceful relations with Israel.

The cause of it becoming a failed state is largely the actions of Palestinian militants

After the defeat of the Palestinian militants in Jordan they were kicked out of Jordan and the Palestinian militants relocated to Lebanon. There they firstly continued their attacks against Israel and secondly started a civil war between the Palestinian / Muslim militias and the Christian militias. This civil war destroyed the country.

Indeed.

Lalaloveya · 20/09/2024 09:27

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I understand the situation here quite well thanks. I don't need someone with internet access to give me their take.

HelenHen · 20/09/2024 09:27

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 09:26

Indeed.

Echo chamber?

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 09:28

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Indeed.

Dulra · 20/09/2024 09:29

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 09:24

Its a conversation Dulra. If A makes point and B responds with a related point it does not necessarily mean tbat B is negating the point that A made. Its a way of developing an argument and sharing information. Its quite useful out in society.

Ah back to your patronising. No idea what your explanation on what a conversation has to do with my post though

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