Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

You’re just trying to muddy the waters and wriggle out of wholeheartedly calling for the hostages to be freed. How can I know what Israel would do? But the pressure on them to stop their assault would be huge. Surely it’s worth a try.

Isn't it odd that those calling most vociferously for a ceasefire don’t seem to mention this option. I wonder why. (Or maybe I can guess why.)

What am I pretending not to understand? I am fed up of you reading things into what I say that aren't there! Why can't you just accept that people are genuine and not trying to rile you? Why the paranoia?

You need to explain what is wrong with what I have posted. I agreed that hostages should be released unconditionally, I acknowledged that it is good idea to see if it works. No idea why any of that deserves your snarky responses, again it is not pleasant.

You’re just trying to muddy the waters and wriggle out of wholeheartedly calling for the hostages to be freed.

You need to stop twisting my words. I did not say and I do not think that at all. I wholeheartedly want the hostages freed.

I am out I cannot converse with people that are just out to attack and misinterpret everything I say.

@SharonEllis

That's an awful lot of terrorists, giving Israel carte blanche to carpet bomb Gaza with 80,000 tons of explosives, 36kg for every man, woman and child.

But sure.. human shields.

But then that means Hamas deliberately provoked a military response from Israel, knowing full well that that response would cause a huge level of "unavoidable" death and destruction for civilians. And then Hamas and its apologists can blame Israel for the civilian casualties…

This is true.

You think?

Then you might think that the British Government would have been justified in carpet bombing West Belfast, Derry, and most of Down, Tyrone and Fermanagh.

After all the IRA was "hiding", sorry living in those areas.

And the Americans would have stood by and watched. And sold the British the bombs to do the job.

I doubt it.

The differences:
a) The IRA did not send a large group of terrorists into England to (rape and) murder over 1200 people in the space of a few hours
b) The IRA did not abduct over 250 people, including children and the very elderly
c) The IRA did not form the government of Ireland.

But of course if you don’t think what I said is true, that means you think that Hamas could commit their acts of rape, mass murder and abduction with impunity, in the belief that Israel could not reasonably respond militarily because civilians would necessarily be involved. How contemptible would that make Hamas?

I'm saying no such thing.

Where we differ is when you say "reasonably".

Carpet bombing Gaza with 80,000 tons of bombs, on an occupied civilian population with nowhere to go, might seem "reasonable" to you, but not to me.

No you can't do this. Population density is no excuse for hiding out in hospitals & schools. The tunnels are a deliberate strategy and a choice. You say you are not defending Hamas, but this is not acceptable.

This.
To those with an ounce of sense I recommend looking up what carpet bombing is. This sort of hyperbole is so silly.

I agree. Hamas do what they want and sit back after f ing over their own people deliberately.

I think it's you that needs to look it up.

For those in doubt. Plenty of information available but those who continue to defend Israel's war crimes will be blind to it.

By late April 2024 it was estimated that Israel had dropped over 70,000 tons of bombs over Gaza, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II.[4][5]

"Some military strategists characterize “carpet bombing” as an emotional term that does not describe any actual military strategy."

Sorry, you think 80,000 tons of bombs, on an area 1/4 the size of London, is not carpet bombing?

www.newsweek.com/gaza-strip-size-compared-world-cities-maps-1835267

So we can just play around with semantics as some phrases describing the bombing makes some users feel uncomfortable.

It's always minimise, minimise, minimise. Except those with even the tiniest of knowledge on the extent of the bombing, would be horrified.

Even the released hostages talk about their fears of being killed by the 'endless bombing'

Shakes my head in disgust. ^
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Honestly as you said people who support Israel will be wilfully blind to it. They will only see what they want to see. They can ignore and deny it all they want but the facts are there for the world to see.

And sadly some have lost their lives to it.

Its an awful conflict, all conflicts are awful. Yeman was awful. Dafur was awful. Its not at that scale of deaths as yeman and dafur but still awful and far too many innocents have died.. What are we supposed to say. Nothing much makes hamas release hostages and lay down their arms. Sinwar probably sleeps well at night, he doesn't care, if he did, he'd tell hamas to surrender. Usually the losing side in a conflict considers its people and surrenders rather than continue.

It needs an urgent ceasefire and hostage release but threads on here won't make that happen. Around and around and around

This thread has disappeared from my app - anyone else experience this?

There are no words that are adequate to describe the extent of the bombing. I can't believe it's being described as 'hyperbole'. These people really have no idea, or worse, they do but still deny it.