Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

Definitely not, it's disgusting
Here come the apologists...

This article by former UN Human Rights official Craig Mokhiber explores the complicity of the media in enabling the Genocide.

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/western-media-can-be-held-legally-accountable-for-its-role-in-the-gaza-genocide/

I think it's more than obvious (and has been for months) that the threshold for genocide has been met, also ethnic cleansing. Mind you that's been going on for years on the West bank and is getting worse every day - big reports on BBC and channel 4 the last few days on that.

I firmly believe there are members of the Israel Government that intend the west bank to be fully occupied by Israel.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5y8xkejjn3t

Today, Foreign Minister Israel Katz said of the West Bank:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/this-is-a-war-fm-calls-for-gaza-style-evacuation-of-palestinians-in-west-bank/

“We need to deal with the [terror] threat exactly as we deal with terror infrastructure in Gaza, including the temporary evacuation of Palestinian civilians and any other step needed,” Israel’s senior diplomat tweeted, calling the operation “a war in every sense.”

Gaza is mostly rubble, with 90% of the population displaced into living conditions hostile to life.

How would you deal with the terror threat in the West Bank?

End the occupation. The Palestinians have every right to resist the military occupation. Israel is breaking the law every single day with their illegal occupation, but some people don't like to acknowledge that.

Just to be clear, you believe suicide bombings against civilians are legitimate resistance? Remembering that in a so-called suicide bombing the bomber is killed. The Hamas/Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad/whoever leadership never conduct these attacks themselves, of course. https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-claims-tel-aviv-blast-as-attempted-suicide-bombing-vows-to-carry-out-more/
And, you think if Israel ended the occupation Hamas and Iran would cease their campaign to destroy Israel and kill all Jews? And that Israel would magically have security? The occupation will only end as part of a negiated process that ensures the security of both sides.

@SharonEllis did you miss the bit where i said 'resist military occupation'? Or do you just like to twist words?

I will just leave this here.

I can't believe that people are still trying to defend this aggression with the same old 'what else can Israel do?'

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1153656

When you mentioned ethnic cleansing, I thought you were referring to areas of MENA already occupied by Arab Muslims.

By genocide I thought you meant the stated objectives of Hamas and Hezbollah and what they want to do to Jews and other infidels.

No I didn't miss that at all. I asked you if you thought suicide bombings where people are encouraged to blow themselves & others to bits is a legitimate act of resistance.

Obviously not. I'm not sure what part of my post gave you the impression that I did for you to even ask?

@Lettherebejustice Well, the bit where you said 'The Palestinians have every right to resist the military occupation' which I think fairly explicitly suggests that you support the attempted suicide bombing which was the act of 'resistance' which Israel was reacting to.

@Lettherebejustice

It's been 11 months now, you won't get a cohesive response. All there will be are variations of accusations unrelated to what you said.
Of course you are correct that the Palestinians right to resist occupation is enshrined in International Law and that the Israeli Government is and has long been in violation.

No, not enough has been done when it's been clear to anyone just what has been happening and is still happening daily. Shameful.

@BelleHathor agreed. I'm not going to even bother to continue to respond to people who can't acknowledge that it's not only Israel that has the right to self-defence, and are continuously affronted by even the mere mention of the Palestinians right of the same.

It seem international law only counts when it is in the favour of one party and disregarded when it protects the other.

I agree, the ICJ were clear here, Israel need to end their illegal occupation, evacuate all of their illegal settlers from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, end their systematic discrimination of Palestinians, their illegal exploitation of Palestinian resources stop violating their right to self determination and pay reparations for the damages caused by the occupation.

It's quite clear what Israel should do, it has been laid out by the international court of justice just what Israel should do. There is no 'what else can Israel do', what Israel can do is what they should have done a long time ago, start abiding by International law and pay reparations to try and atone for the untold pain they have caused.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me, while ducking the question. It was a pretty simple question. I have stated many times on the CITME threads that I completely condemn settler violence and that the WB occupation needs to be sorted out & that Palestinians in the WB have a right to self defence & to security. But Israel clearly has a right to defend itself against terrorists who enter its territory with the express purpose of killing civilians. Which is the issue here.

Then they need to increase security in Israel. Surely that is clear? What they are doing is in clear violation of international law, there are no excuses for that. Other countries have threats too, they don't illegally annex land, deny people the right to self determination, systematically discriminate against them while exploiting their resources. They increase security on their own land, they arrest people and give them a fair trial.

@SharonEllis you immediately and continue to make abhorrent accusations towards me which you have once again overlooked. That those who defend the rights of Palestinians are advocating violence against innocent civilians.

If you want a discourse, to immediately attack with unfounded accusations, will not get you very far.

FWIW, I answered your question. Which you didn't like so you chose to twist my words instead.

Actually, the issue in this thread is: Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

Ok, so I think we've established that resistance to oppression is justified and that suicide bombing and terrorism are not acceptable forms of resistance. This is good. I think not enough is being done to tackle incitement to genocide on all sides and its clearly a major proglblem. Including on the streets outside the ME where 'resistance is justified' was (and still is) regularly shouted in response to the genocidal attacks of 7 october.

You completely condemn settler violence and the illegal WB occupation but don't seem to link it to many of the issues in the area. Unfortunately your condemnation of it means nothing, it is state sponsored and supported so it's part of Israeli government policy. Yes Israel have the right to defend themselves but they also have a responsibility not to incite, which they do over and over again. I was glad to hear of the 11 Palestinians killed 9 were Hamas that demonstrates they can be targeted and limit civilian casualties the fact that they don't do this enough suggests they are also responsible for terrorism.

You talk about legitimate resistance and we know that suicide bombing is not legitimate but a lot of what the IDF do in the WB is not legitimate either so it becomes a race to the bottom with whatever resistance options you have. We keep getting reminded that Israel are a legitimate democratic nation but their actions do not hold true to that.