Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

Whenever people say "well what else could Israel do?"
I always reply"wouldn't obeying international laws be a good start?"

Why is Israel’s version of ‘self-defence’ the total destruction of another far less powerful peoples’ country in one case and theft or destruction of it in another, plus the killing of over 40,000 of its inhabitants, and maiming of twice that number, the majority women and children?

Let them do it as they’ll do what they want with America’s and our help, but don’t expect people seeing this war unfold to think more than 40 eyes worth of vengeance and theft for one eye is ok.

@Dulra is there evidence that the people killed were terrorists?

How do you "increase security" enough to stop suicide bombers? Would you suggest frequent stop & search of anyone who looks vaguely Arab? (Not pleasant for the over 20% of the Israeli population who are Arab.) Metal detectors on every street corner? Or what?

I see there's some rustling in the EU about sanctioning Israeli ministers, but I don't think it will happen. Even if it does I don't think it will be much of a deterrent.

If Israel don't know how to counter terrorism there are loads of countries with experienced counter terrorism units that would be more than happy to teach them how to help prevent terrorism and how to do so within International law.

I heard on the news Hamas had confirmed they were but I stand corrected if I've got that wrong

You will never fully be able to mitigate the risk of suicide bombers but killing innocent civilians, imprisoning people without charge or trial, enabling illegal settlers, continually breaking international law and dehumanising a population certainly won't prevent it.

Frankly the argument of "we have no other option" is lazy and inaccurate and just further demonstrates how ineffective the IDF is if they can't work out how they are contributing to the risk not deescalating it.

In other words, you can’t actually come up with anything and realise that it’s impossible for any country other than a rigidly repressive police state to prevent suicide terrorism, especially if the would-be terrorists who have vowed to murder your whole race live in a neighbouring country.
Have you ever read Hamas's founding charter? Did you notice the bits about wiping out all Jews from the face of the earth? Do you support that aim, or do you just prefer to ignore it or maintain that they don’t really mean it, despite (recent) declarations to the contrary?

Israel is once again acting in a oppressive manner. With total disregard of international law. There is extensive destruction of civilian infrastructure.

https://x.com/JanezLenarcic/status/1829066212296294617?t=uw8ai_NhUyyg_SgjzOltQw&s=19

Like it or not, the root of it all is the illegal occupation. Israel breaks the law every single day and then acts shocked when the people they occupy do the same. It is simple cause and effect.

In other words, you can’t actually come up with anything and realise that it’s impossible for any country other than a rigidly repressive police state to prevent suicide terrorism
That's not true there are other measures but that would mean a complete rethink of how Israel polices the WB and they aren't willing to do that they seem to just keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome.

especially if the would-be terrorists who have vowed to murder your whole race live in a neighbouring country.
I'm more concerned about the current race of people in Gaza who are close to being wiped out by an army that has the means and military power to do it.

Who do you think I am? I don't work for counter terrorism but lots of countries have vast experience with terrorism and have highly experienced and qualified counter terrorism units and police forces. Israel needs to follow International law, follow the steps that the ICJ has set of them.

I'm out now, this thread is about Israels genocidal incitement, not how many excuses can we make as to why Palestinians deserve it. Have a good day.

a) What "other measures"?

b) I don’t support current Israeli actions on the West Bank or in Gaza but talk about the Gaza population being "close to being wiped out" is absolute blatant nonsense. The UN estimates the population of Gaza at about 2.1 million, and Hamas say about 40,000 have been killed. That's about 2%. Terrible, but not "close to being wiped out".

You’re right that Israel has the power to do it though - if they really wanted to, they could have done it months ago. So obviously they don’t want to.

c) Your airy dismissal of, and unconcern about, Hamas's murderous racism is sickening. I wonder whether you would be so uninterested about blatant racism against against any other race.

So you’re completely uninterested in Hamas's genocidal incitement, presumably because they haven’t got the power - at the moment - to put it into practice. OK…

a) What "other measures"?
Doing the opposite to what I listed on my initial response to you.
Main one stop breaking international law it is there for a reason to protect innocent civilians
b) I don’t support current Israeli actions on the West Bank or in Gaza
Yet you don't think they have any other option?
but talk about the Gaza population being "close to being wiped out" is absolute blatant nonsense
I wish it was but it is not just about deaths is it? It's about displacement of civilians, making their homes inhabitable, disease, malnourishment, life changing injuries

You’re right that Israel has the power to do it though - if they really wanted to, they could have done it months ago. So obviously they don’t want to.
Because they know they won't get away with it but they are doing as much as they can currently away with

c) Your airy dismissal of, and unconcern about, Hamas's murderous racism is sickening. I wonder whether you would be so uninterested about blatant racism against against any other race.
???? I did not airily dismiss anything. You are the one on a thread about preventing genocide of Palestinians talking about Israel having no other option. I find that sickening.

A suicide bomber in Tel Aviv - wrong, terrible, wrecking ordinary people’s lives.

A multimillion dollar bomber plane, massive bombs, a whole load of trained snipers, bulldozers unleashed in a market or mosque/school in Gaza - wrong, terrible, wrecking ordinary people’s lives.

Both are deadly. What’s the difference?

The first is braver and hugely less powerful.

The second is state sanctioned, causes vastly more damage, is far more deadly, kills burns and maims many more people, and doesn’t usually cause the pilots and soldiers shooting them off their lives.

The second is also more likely to inspire a sense of noting to lose in suicide bomber no 2 than it is likely to cause peace.

You think Hamas, Hezbollah etc would stop attacking Israel if they gave up all West Bank settlements and withdrew from Gaza? How naive. They have made it quite clear that their aim is the complete destruction of Israel.

"Wiped out" means "killed", as I’m sure you know really.

Saying, about the Hamas charter's stated aim to kill all Jews, just "I’m more interested in…" absolutely is "airy dismissal". You couldn’t get much airier or more dismissive.

I have nowhere said that Israel has no other option, in fact I specifically said I don’t agree with their actions in Gaza, so please stop misrepresenting me.

I would just like people to stop viewing this terrible conflict as evil baddies persecuting poor innocent goodies just for the sake of it.

I would like people to stop viewing this terrible conflict as evil baddies persecuting poor innocent goodies just for the sake of it

Palestinian does not equal Hamas I'm sure you know that. Thousands and thousands of innocent people (mostly women and children) are being killed and persecuted by Israel. Please don't be so flippant in the way you describe them.

Hamas are the government of Gaza. They were originally elected, presumably by people who didn’t object to their stated aim of murdering all Jews.

Yes, that’s not the fault of the women and children suffering in Gaza now. What do you suppose Hamas thought would be Israel's response to their cold-blooded murder and rape spree last October?

The ones to blame are Hamas, but unfortunately they have their tunnels to hide in and leave the civilians to suffer. Their leader has actually specifically welcomed this. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/06/11/hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-depicts-palestinian-casualties-as-necessary-sacrifices/

You think Hamas, Hezbollah etc would stop attacking Israel if they gave up all West Bank settlements and withdrew from Gaza? How naive
Possible not but it is the right thing to do and can't make things worse and could actually begin the process of winning trust with Palestinians which is an important stepping stone to peace.

"Wiped out" means "killed", as I’m sure you know really.
Wiping out a population does not mean killing everyone so we disagree on that.

Saying, about the Hamas charter's stated aim to kill all Jews, just "I’m more interested in…" absolutely is "airy dismissal". You couldn’t get much airier or more dismissive.
As in I'm more interested in what is actually happening to Palestinians now. What Hamas have in their charter is irrelevant if they don't have the means to act on it. It's not being airy dismissive it's being realistic.

I have nowhere said that Israel has no other option, in fact I specifically said I don’t agree with their actions in Gaza, so please stop misrepresenting me.
I don't mean to represent you but if you don't agree with Israels actions in Gaza what do you suggest they do? You keep dismissing posters opinions as naive and ineffective so what's your strategy?

I would just like people to stop viewing this terrible conflict as evil baddies persecuting poor innocent goodies just for the sake of it.
Poor innocent goodies? Could you be more flippant. This isn't about goodies or baddies we're not in a western film. This is a complex conflict where innocent civilians are being killed maimed and starved in their thousands. Where a democratic nation is choosing to ignore international law and use their huge military might to kill, maim and displace. I don't view Israelis as evil or Palestinians as goodies there's good and bad everywhere but I will stand up for the oppressed.

In answer to the original question, not enough has not been done to tackle incitement to Genocide. Why would the Israeli government have to do anything? they've been allowed to get away with so much over 80 years now, what's more is carrying out a plausible Genocide?
The media will cover for them with biased language and selective reporting (except for when you are an anti occupation British journalist, 12 Police officers will raid your home and arrest you).

The problem is an occupation, based on theft and ethnic cleansing and excused as "defence". The International community allows the Israeli government to get away with this as they were complicit in creating this injustice starting with the Balfour Declaration which ultimately led to resolution 181.

The article in the OP briefly mentions Hamas leader abroad Khaled Mashaal, saying that October 7th “opened a highway towards eliminating Israel" and that it had “turned the idea of liberating Palestine from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea into a realistic idea that has already begun.”

On Wednesday, Mashaal called for a return to suicide terror attacks against Israelis in the West Bank during a video address to a conference in Istanbul, Turkey: "Resistance operations in the West Bank are escalating despite the harsh conditions. We want to return to martyrdom operations. This is a situation that can only be addressed by open conflict. They are fighting us with open conflict, and we are confronting them with open conflict.
The enemy has opened the conflict on all fronts, seeking us all, whether we fight or not. The enemy says, ‘I am crazy,’ and it is up to the nation to assume its responsibilities. I reiterate my call for everyone to participate on multiple fronts in the actual resistance against the Zionist entity."

Has enough been done by anyone at all to tackle the incitement to genocide constantly preached by Hamas who've dragged the Palestinians and Israelis into this nightmare?

I wonder if you know when the last elections were held in Gaza. Lots of those innocents being killed weren't even alive! And in this Country we have suffered many horrific terrorist attacks, even sustained terror attacks, I remember vividly the IRA bombing campaigns. Thankfully our Government didn't decide to wipe the Republic of Ireland off the map.

Has enough been done by anyone at all to tackle the incitement to genocide constantly preached by Hamas who've dragged the Palestinians and Israelis into this nightmare?
Hamas are not being supported, armed or funded by any democratic western nation. Israel receives funding and arms to tackle them and to prop up their iron dome. Hamas are not recognised by any western democratic country as a legitimate government they are classed as a terrorist organisation.