Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

Hamas is the government of Gaza. It is their job to protect their citizens. I don’t understand why you think we should hold them to a lower standard than any other government?

Its actually quite weird the way people infantilise Hamas as if they are children that haven't learnt how to behave and therefore cant be held to account. They are a proscribed organisation because they are barbaric terrorists that terrorise their own people as well.

Well it isn't proof is it? Are we supposed to pretend that it is

No - I didn’t say I thought the vaccination program was negative… I said it was being FRAMED in a negative way by posters who paint everything as evidence of Israeli’s villainy.

You do know that, vaccinated or not, Palestinian children will continue to suffer Israeli bullets, right?

The same could be said for Israel can't it? If I remember right you were aghast at the idea of Israel being held to account for violating international law and the idea of countries stopping handing them weapons to continue. Are you up for Israel to be held to account? Are you supportive of the ICC and the ICJ?

Whose infantilising Hamas? I was acknowledging that
they are a proscribed organisation because they are barbaric terrorists that terrorise their own people as well. I literally said as much in my post. My query to you was do you want Israel to be held to the same standards of Hamas?

Yes - I do know that Palestinian children are in the midst of a horrendous conflict. They are incredibly vulnerable because of the actions of their Hamas government who has made no effort to protect them from harm. I don’t support all of Israel’s actions but I’m glad the children are getting vaccinated.

I am too. Thanks to the UN.

If you think people infantilise Israel and don't hold them to account you have never met jewish person or an Israeli.You've seen the protests in Israel, right? People in my experience often do the opposite of infantilise and hold Israel to far higher standards than any government or nation in the world - other than perhsps the United States, which also is never good enough. Of course I'm up for Israel to be held to an account in a fair, democratic forum.

Both governments are responsible for the safety of their own citizens. Israel’s government failed on October 7th to protect its citizens - but it has put a number of measures in place ( the iron dome , shelters etc) to protect its people .
Hamas has wilfully put its people in harms way without providing any protection. Its military leaders live outside of Gaza .
Your “different standard” means that you seem to expect Israeli government to care more about Palestinian children than you expect the Palestinian government to

Because they're terrorists. I don't hold them to any standard I don't support them, I continually criticize their actions, they are not funded or supported by any western democratic nation, they have not signed up to any International Humanitarian laws. Israel is supposedly a democratic nation, that is not just a word or an electoral system it has standards and values it is meant to govern by such as equality, justice, human rights and so on, so yes I do expect more from Israel if we don't surely we're just suggesting they are no better than Hamas?

Polio is not just caused by lack of vaccine but by untreated sewage in the streets caused by not enough fuel brought in for the sewage plants, lack of clean water, bombed buildings and infrastructure, lack of medical facilities, lack of medical staff, lack of access, poor nutrition - all of which Israel has had a direct hand in.

Your “different standard” means that you seem to expect Israeli government to care more about Palestinian children than you expect the Palestinian government to

My different standards? Ok so terrorist regimes operate with the same standards as Democratic states. Got it thanks

you seem to expect Israeli government to care more about Palestinian children than you expect the Palestinian government to
No not "care" just operate within the international laws they have signed up to and stop killing children whether it's directly through bombs, guns or indirectly through bombing hospitals, not allowing enough humanitarian aid or medical supplies in. Also Gaza is an occupied territory so Israel do have responsibility towards its citizens.

David Lammy has just said the U.K. will withhold 30 of the weapons licences to Israel.

That's great, I'm glad you are in favour of arms sales to Israel being halted. I must have mistaken you for another poster who was very much against it.

That's great that Israelis have such high standards for their government, they must be appalled to know they have been breaking international law for decades in the West Bank. I presume that is part of these protests that you mention, demanding their government abides by the ICJ and withdraws all of their settlers immediately and pays reparations to Palestinians for the harm caused? How long do you think it will take for Israel to withdraw now that the ICJ have told them too?

Yes - war brings a complete breakdown of infrastructure and the consequence is disease and malnutrition ( as well as all the other terrible things). I blame Hamas for this conflict and for the suffering of the Palestinians . However I do think Israeli government has questions to answer and has been too ruthless in its approach.

But it’s not easy to be moderate when you’re faced with an utterly ruthless enemy who doesn’t even care about the consequences for their own people.

That's great news! Hopefully the US will follow suit soon.

That something is not easy, is not a justification for this level of human suffering.

Imagine talking about the victims of Oct 7th like this! Imagine if someone said, well Hamas had no choice because they are fighting a ruthless enemy, and it’s not easy to rally against oppression. It doesn’t wash either way does it!

Also @Limesodaagain

The people of Israel are protesting today because they know their government doesn’t care enough about them. Let’s not pretend this ‘war’ is being fought for the people of Israel.

Is the UN unfair?
And if so, why?

The UN is just all the nations (clue in name). Many are virulently antisemitic and open enemies of Israel, most notably Iran but it is not alone.

Global Imams Council also blames Hamas for the deaths of all innocents since 7th October 2023.
They bear responsibility of course they do but "they made me do it" is no defence, Israel are responsible for their own actions.

And says Iran has a share of responsibility too.
Yes I agree as do the US and other nations providing military arms in this conflict

It is an international organization made up of 193 members. How many are antisemitic?and of those that are do they have a seat at the security council?
If the UN is as you describe why is Israel still a member?

There are many member states in the UN that are "enemies" of each other, it's easy to criticise but no one would know where we would be without it.