War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

Neither does nentanhayu listen, he behaves likes terrorists.

No we know a lot dont, please dont let us go over this AGAIN

Those calling for a ceasefire may condemn any form of violence, but let’s be honest, a ceasefire would serve Hamas and Hezbollah and their Iran paymasters in their long term goal of destroying Israel. It won’t be used to move civilians (those useful shields - very sadly) but to regroup, reposition and attack. You aren’t dealing with rational leaders, but militant terrorists.

57 Arab and Muslim countries have offered Israel protection as long as they agree to Israel ending the occupation and allowing for the emergence of a Palestinian state,

Why doesn’t Israel agree to a ceasefire, take the offer of these countries and work on a peaceful future rather than continue destroying and killing innocent civilians ?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblogentry/jordanian-fm-arab-world-willing-to-guarantee-israels-security-if-palestinian-state-established/

The terrorist groups didn't just spring up out of thin air though did they? Hamas were born out of occupation and violence. Hezbollah were formed in response to Israels invasion of Lebanon. They attack so they attack so they attack so they attack.

At some point someone has to stop attacking. At some point the biggest flash point in the region - Israels illegal occupation has to end. Violence begets violence begets violence. So long as there is occupation, oppression and subjugation there is always going to be violence. Everybody knows this. You can cow the older people, beat the spirit out them both literally and figuratively but there will always be younger people(lots of them suffering from PTSD and trauma) who think that they can fight for a better life free of occupation.

Israel can kill and kill and kill but it will not solve anything. It won't make anyone safer. Deep down everyone knows this, history has shown this. Just as it is important to Israelis that Israel has a right to exist and continues to do so it is important to Palestinians that they have a right to sovereign state. All roads lead back to Israels occupation, they just do. Until it ends all of this horror and bloodshed and trauma of everybody in the region is pointless. It solves nothing and all sensible people would condemn violence from all of them and put pressure on all of the people involved in this to come up with a way for the occupation to end ASAP.

I've just seen this after typing out my post. Israel would have so much support if they chose to end their occupation there isn't a country in the West that wouldn't help in anyway that they could. These 57 countries are saying that they will too. Ending the occupation is the key to longterm peace. Nothing can persuade me otherwise.

This is a BBC video clip of the huge blast of a bomb from Israel into Beirut where it blew up a medical facility belonging to Hezbollah.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg4qx62kkxxt?post=asset%3Aa2baf995-388e-4f48-93b8-880bd457cd92#post

Let's not pretend that the barbarity of 7/10 was in any way justifiable

Actually, all roads lead back to an implacable opposition to Israel as an entity. That is why Israel fights and fights for survival and dare not stop fighting.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-missile-attack-middle-east-10-02-24-intl-hnk#cm1snvj2z00003b6rsr6qydjn

Apologies it didn’t link to the story I wanted , tho it appears in there

Lebanon’s Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib told CNN that Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah had agreed to a 21-day ceasefire just days before he was assassinated by Israel.
The temporary ceasefire was called for by US President Joe Biden, his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron and other allies during last week’s UN General Assembly.
“He [Nasrallah] agreed, he agreed,” Habib told Christiane Amanpour in an interview aired on Wednesday.
“We agreed completely. Lebanon agreed to a ceasefire but consulting with Hezbollah. The [Lebanese House] Speaker Mr. Nabih Berri consulted with Hezbollah and we informed the Americans and the French what happened. And they told us that Mr. [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu also agreed on the statement that was issued by both presidents [Biden and Macron.]”
White House senior adviser Amos Hochstein was then set to go to Lebanon to negotiate the ceasefire, Habib continued.
“They told us that Mr. Netanyahu agreed on this and so we also got the agreement of Hezbollah on that and you know what happened since then,” Habib continued.
Nasrallah was killed in an Israeli airstrike on Friday in the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital Beirut.
A day earlier, a joint statement issued by the United States, France, Australia, Canada, the European Union, Germany, Italy, Japan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and Qatar called for a 21-day ceasefire, “to give diplomacy a chance to succeed and avoid further escalations across the border.”
In response to a question on the United States’ diminishing influence in the region, Habib said Washington was “always important in this regard.”
“I don’t think we have an alternative. We need the United States’ help. Whether we get it or not, we’re not sure yet, but [the] United States is very important, vital for the ceasefire to happen,” said Habib.

That is from the CNN news report you posted:
Hezbollah leader agreed to temporary ceasefire days before assassination, says Lebanese FM
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-missile-attack-middle-east-10-02-24-intl-hnk#cm1snvj2z00003b6rsr6qydjn

That whole report is shocking in regard to what Netanyahu has done. It is almost unbelievable and at first I thought you might have posted from a Middle Eastern source not CNN. Netanyahu is so destructive for his country and for the whole area.

"Netanyahu is so destructive for his country and for the whole area. " @ScrollingLeaves

Have you only just realised this ?

No, but that CNN report in regard to the ceasefire agreement he ignored is particularly revealing about just how low he is willing to go.

Is he a dictator now? That’s what it seems like.

Wow just read it, I can easily believe this of Netanyahu, but my question is how could America and other western Countries (including UK) continue to support Israel knowing this?

Hizbollah didn’t want a ceasefire during the past 11 months since they started a ‘support front’ against Israel on October 8th. They would have accepted 21 days to simply regroup after losses following the Israeli strikes. The war on the Israel-Lebanon border is entirely of Hizbollah’s making. It has none of the complexity of Gaza.

…and I say this as someone who is very much anti-Netanyahu…

If the point of Hezbollah was to fight Israeli occupation of Lebanon, what have they been doing with themselves since 2006? (A lot of vile things, including killing tens of thousands of Syrians in defence of a brutal regime, training militias to kill tens of thousands more, the global drugs trade, terrorist attacks worldwide, digging and equipping tunnels to carry out a much larger scale Oct7...)
Speaking of "biggest flashpoint in the region", what is your opinion on the Syrian civil war? (300k+ civilian deaths, 6 million internal refugees and 6 million external refugees) Or is that uninteresting as it doesn't involve Israel?
All roads lead back to a refusal to accept the existence of Israel, and a determination to fight it no matter the cost to ordinary people.

The guardian

Our military capabilities are fine. What our enemies say about our fighting capabilities is an illusion. They are lying. Our fighters on the frontline are solid. What happened over the last 10 days is [that] the pain of the Israelis is increasing. We are telling them, more and more Israelis will be displaced from the settlements. The Israeli plan is to kill Lebanese civilians and empty villages to cause chaos. But I tell them, your efforts are a failure.
Qassem said that after days of its operation inside Lebanon, Israel’s forces had failed to advance.
Earlier today Israel announced that it had committed a further division of troops to what it described as “limited, localised, targeted operational activities” against what it says are “Hezbollah terror targets and infrastructure in southwestern Lebanon”. The IDF now has four divisions engaged.
Israel’s Arabic language spokesperson again issued a message that residents of southern Lebanon should flee their homes, and that anybody moving south was in danger. Over a fifth of Lebanon’s population are thought to currently be displaced. About 60,000 people in northern Israel have also had to flee the fighting over the course of the last year.
Lebanese media reported continued Israeli airstrikes on the southern suburbs of Beirut and in the east and the south of the country.

And now the consequences of support start, scarily. We must stop supporting the Israeli regime.

MI5 chief: UK facing growing threat from Islamic State, Russia and Iran

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/08/mi5-chief-uk-facing-growing-threat-from-islamic-state-russia-and-iran?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

This isn’t the result of UK supporting Israel!

I think the growth of the threat will be related to us providing bombs to Israel. You may find that far fetched; I don't.

And anyway, because "we" support Israel, Mi5 would find it impolitic to note a connection.

Well no. Israel is our ally. Iran, Russia and Islamic State are not and should not be our allies. We need to stand with other democracies.

Also, from your article, "The spy chief said it was not the case that Israel’s ongoing war with Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon had led directly to an increase in terrorist plotting in the UK"

Did you actually read the article you posted?

'The spy chief said it was not the case that Israel’s ongoing war with Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon had led directly to an increase in terrorist plotting in the UK,

BUT 'he acknowledged there had been “rising public order, hate crime and community safety challenges” that police had had to deal with.' In other words the marches have diverting police resources that would have been better used elsewhere.

He then 'highlighted that Iran had been behind “plot after plot” in the UK in the past two years. Five new Iran-backed plots have been uncovered by MI5 and police this year, taking the total since January 2022 to 20. McCallum said Iranian state actors made “extensive use of criminals as proxies”, to try to carry out threats and intimidation largely directed against dissidents and individuals perceived as a threat to the Tehran regime.'

'He said MI5 was alive to the possibility that Iran “could, in principle, try to repurpose” that effort to focus on other targets in the UK if Tehran felt that Britain had become a party to the conflict in the Middle East by supporting Israel in its anticipated retaliation to last week’s ballistic missile attack.'

So in fact it is Iran destabilising the ME and destabilising the UK too. And you want us to appease Iran & blame Israel?