War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

From bbc
Qassem now says Hezbollah is ready for an Israeli ground offensive, and will keep up the fight against Israel.
The deputy chief says the group is continuing its operations - describing its attacks so far as the "minimum" - while adding that the battle could be long, Reuters reports.
He closes his speech by calling for "patience".

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editto add
as some of us pointed out the other day. Killing the head doesn’t mean they’ll surrender and get defeated. Most likely, there will be a war and the consequences are that many innocent civilians will get killed.

a ceasefire should be agreed asap

2 min ago

Israel tells US it is planning 'imminent ground operation' in Lebanon - report

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240930-israeli-bombs-push-lebanon-migrants-out-of-shadows

Israeli bombs push Lebanon migrants out of shadows

God it's just so horrific, everything we've seen happen in Gaza we will now see in Lebanon, and the world continues to allow this.

It's precisely because the World (Governments mainly) stood by when it happened in Gaza that this is happening. The Karmic Backlash that will be unleashed in the future will not be pretty.

I agree. 🙁

Agree. It is easy to drop bombs on a city hoping they take out the intended terrorist targets, it is a lot harder to build peace from the rubble. I have no idea where this will go but it will once again be disastrous for innocent civilians and their everyday lives and future.

Brace yourself, it's going to escalate potentially to a full scale war.

The region is largely mad (outside of pockets of Al Qaeda/ISIS/Western aligned sorts).

The Iranian president yesterday commented that the reason Iran did not respond to Haniyeh's
assassination was because the Americans and Europeans promised that they would force Israel into a Ceasefire in Gaza. He feels tricked, also a lot of people are blaming Iran for the assassination.

Nasrallah's rumoured replacement is a military man, who doesn't understand diplomacy only force. He said on the 8th October let's attack Tel Aviv now. Nasrallah was the more moderate one.

A South Lebanese journalist I was listening to speak said "By killing our Father, our love, You created 1 Million Nasrallah's, as long as he was alive we could accept anything. Now that he is gone the time for talking is over. We are not going to stop ever".

Also Hezbollah have moved on today from using Kaytushka short range rockets to Ballistic rockets. Sirens are sounding in Haifa port (Israel) right now.

Us doesn’t agree with the escalation

"listening to speak said "By killing our Father, our love, You created 1 Million Nasrallah's, as long as he was alive we could accept anything. Now that he is gone the time for talking is over. We are not going to stop ever".

So 1 death to him creates a million terrorists. They never accepted anything whilst he was alive pure bunk. They didn't talk so now its over, pathetic really. They loved a terrorist leader, he says, he did nothing for the ordinary people of Lebanon, why love that.

Gosh this is grim. The ground invasion seems to be shifting along fairly rapidly on the Southern border now so it's going to be a long night.

Israel clearly isn't up for listening to anybody now so who knows how this ends. I expect a lot of it hinges on Iran, who apart from carping from the sidelines haven't actually really 'done' much in terms of actions. They seem far keener on 'encouraging' others whilst at least giving the appearance it's not them (although everybody knows it is.)

What a mess.

I didn't realise Lebanon and beruit was another very modern normal place until Islamic extremists took hold.
Unless they are fake on twitter I saw images of normal carefree people in normal clothing. Looks like those images of Afghanistan etc.

Hearing that gun fire on sky it's terrifying, I don't understand how any child can cope with this.
I don't know how any of it can be rebuilt or what they expect to do with gaza.

Yes, I think parts of Beirut are actually quite 'nice' - a bit like Tel Aviv, all seems to be unravelling pretty quickly now though.

Simon Reeves visited Lebanon in his Mediterranean series in 2018. So sad to see it now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06nccgh

Actually now that I think of it he also visited Israel and Gaza. I am not in UK so can't watch it on iPlayer would love to see it again now.

Beirut in the 50s looks idyllic.....fantastic beaches.....looks like Paris on the med

It's really sad. I hope for a quick resolution and only army and terrorist engagement.

I wish someone could negotiate. I feel sad for the ordinary people.

Tragic isn't it. Militants have ruined many countries.

How nice it is to see Lebanon from the eyes of people showing us the beauty of the land rather than from the sights of a bomber or military drone.

It is dreadful that this war has developed since the programme was made.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/30/lebanon-humanitarian-funds-displacement-bombardment-by-israel

Really? And what's their end game exactly?
I mean, Palestinians at least have a legitimage cause even if their means are questionable. What's their cause?

I think what we are seeing is a precise well planned Islraeli operation that perhaps was years in the planning. The systematic coordination of pagers, air strikes, eradication of Hezbollah leadership and now the dismantling of Hezbollah migrate future has been decisive so far.

As Hezbollah can't hide in hugely populous areas as In Gaza any fighters in the border areas will be meeting their fate soon as they are massively out gunned. The populace of Lebanon have had opportunity to move and given this is a war civil an casualties are relatively who low (though tragic of course)

Iran is seeing its proxies built up over decades being wiped out and is in a huge dilemma facing humiliation after humiliation with US forces at the ready to prevent any direct retaliation. Militarily you can argue this is a success for Israel.

One danger analysts are pointing out is that Iran is going to harem it's development of nuclear weapons as it really has no strategic defence with its rag tag militia groups of terrorists dotted around the region and perhaps the next stage has to be an Israeli/US operation to destroy nuclear facilities in Iran but this may have to wait.

I don't think they will.
This axis of resistance stuff is bullshit for all involved - apart from Israel for whom it's existential.
The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is substantially different. They have to live together, they have to find a just solution, it's not about beating one another.
But for all those Iranian backed proxies, what will they get out of fighting Israel? If a Hezbollah guy in Lebanon "beats" Israel, will his or his family's life change for the better in any way? If the Houthis hurt Israel, do the Yemeni people benefit?
That's why the "axis of resistance" hasn't resisted the way Iran - who wanted to fight Israel to the last Arab- expected.

I thought the poster was referring to the Iron Dome by saying “Israel invests in the defence of its citizens” which was developed by the U.S. & Israel jointly with the US bearing the development costs, and the US still produces and sends 100% of the supplies for the Iron Dome to operate to Israel for free.

US military assistance isn’t just in cash, it is also in the free supply of ready to go weaponry and supplies, and in this case everything needed to operate the Iron Dome.

In addition, part of the apartheid case against Israel presented to the ICJ showed how Israel has systematically excluded minority Israeli citizen communities, ie Bedouins, and Druze from the protection of the Iron Dome. So second class citizens are left vulnerable to the rocket attacks from the three main terrorist groups- Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthi.

That's not true. Druze villages 100% are covered. Druze are some of the most senior officers in the Israeli military and they are absolutely not 2nd class citizens.

Bedouin are most certainly covered by Iron Dome in the recognized towns like Rahat. There is a problem that many live in unrecognised settlements in the desert and they are not on Iron Dome maps. The unrecognised settleements also don't have bomb shelters and alarms which is also a concern. There have been a lot of calls on the Israeli govt to change this and there has been some (slow) progress, especially given how much the Bedouin suffered from the Hamas terrorists on 7/10 when they were also murdered and civil society has been working to imrpove this through things like mobile bomb shelters. Not good but hardly apartheid.