Boycotting Israeli products/services

[the7Vabo]

I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

Yeah well very predictable as I said upthread. These people did not condemn Hamas for getting them in this mess and still haven't. In fact, many celebrated.

pretty much every Palestinian wants Israel gone.

please provide evidence that supports this idea.

@Sussurations quite right. Nobody has whatsoever.

You've completely lost me. What is wrong with people condemning Hamas? Don't you? Why should someone not draw attention to hostages? Do you think its ok to take hostages? How does 'Hollywood' speak with one voice? Did they vote or something? So many questions...

Absolutely right.

I am saying that Gaza has had tunnels for thousands of years and it is likely many of them have been maintained and updated over the centuries rather than rebuilt- so the idea that Hamas built all the tunnels under Gaza is nonsense. Even under London part of the current sewage system uses updated ancient aqueducts and sewers originally tunnelled by the Romans.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

@ConnieCounter this might shed some light on how many Palestinians support Hamas. There is no viable opposition to Hamas in Gaza so the only alternative is external rule. The PA, formerly the PLO who now run the West Bank were not much better.

It is a bit of a side story, but the posts claiming Hamas built all the tunnels under Gaza either with aid money or using rubble caught my eye as it was ahistorical. The tunnels were there long before Hamas.

If you have no interest in history, feel free to just scroll by.

Your posts appear to be blaming the people of Gaza for what is happening to them. You might want to clarify that that's not what you intend to say because that's what's coming across.

Many Irish people did not condemn the IRA, because whilst they may not have agreed with their methods - they agreed with what they were asking for. A party that formerly had a military/ terrorist wing is now a part of a legitimate goverment because in the real world peace is achieved by negotiating with even people that you don't like.

Peace is not achieved by bombing an entire country/ territory to smithereens, which academic research has shown will only serve to act as a big recruiting point for Hamas. Britain didn't feel the need to bomb Ireland to smithereens for what it believed were terrorist acts against it. If Israel proclaims itself to be the only democracy in the Middle East, then perhaps it ought to act to the same standards of restraint that others have had to.

Well the IRA existed until 2007 I think. So there was crossover.

This is worth repeating a few times.

In other words, over half of Gazans are children who have never voted for Hamas.

Actually, several people who have posted on this thread have expressed views on these boards that there are no innocent Gazans, that the current population of Gaza is responsible for electing Hamas, that tens of thousands of civilian casualties is really just 'collateral damage', etc. People have posted laughing emojis on threads where people have been talking about dead Palestinian civilians.

On this thread, posters have asked questions about how to change their shopping patterns in order to avoid supporting the killing of innocent people in Gaza, and have been told that it's mean and wrong to do so because it might be upsetting for the businesses they might want to stop supporting. With very little consideration from some people that having loved ones blown up in front of your eyes, watching children starve to death, or suffering white phosphorus burns or traumatic amputations might be a bit more than upsetting for people living in Gaza just now. By caring more about the inconvenience of a boycott on businesses paying tax that funds the killing of innocent people in Gaza, people are demonstrating that, when it comes down to it, they simply care less about the people in Gaza.

They acted celebratory because armed terrorists with guns who had just committed mass murder of men, women, children, even babies were right there weapons loaded strutting like they were Gods. Are you going to condemn groups of mad men in pickup trucks who would sooner shoot you than look at you? No, you paint on a nervous smile and fake adulate their “victory” at gunpoint.

And from fear. You condemn the IRA and you risked having an assassin break into your home and shoot you in the head or plant a bomb in your car that then blows up you and your children on the way to school.

Its similar to today in the really bad parts of a city…you see masked men attacking someone over some drugs business- you quickly pretend you have seen nothing and scamper away and say nothing because snitches get stitches.

Gazans are trapped too…they can’t up sticks and move out of Gaza to get away from Hamas.

@MoMo999

It's not helpful to compare with the IRA because the analogy is inappropriate.

This has been explained, multiple times across this board.

It's one of the many false equivalencies that detract from the complexities & specific circumstances of this conflict.

I specifically mentioned the children being blown to pieces every day by Israel. And Disney only offering support to one side. The children of Gaza are being starved and injuries are treated without anaesthetic. The hostages have enough support. Israel has the most advanced equipment in the world. They could easily pinpoint where the hostages are if they wanted to. gaza has been blockaded in by Israel for years

You may think it unhelpful, but many others think it is helpful.
Analogy only requires a few points of similarity to be valid, they aren’t meant to be identical or equivalent.

It is not false equivalence - that is just your/ pro-Israeli opinion. False equivalence is what Israel does when it pretends it is in the position of the Allies in WW2

@Scirocco

No one cares about businesses being inconvenienced.

They care about Jews being targeted as the result of the extremism spread by BDS & antisemites perpetrating violence against Jews.

Misrepresenting what's been said helps no one.

Quite. I think that is the one of the biggest reasons that the Israelis, who often pretend to be in the position of the Allies in WW2, make a false equivalence. The Allies didn't hem civilians in to a very overcrowded space and prevent them from leaving, before bombing it; together with many other differences to Israel's behaviour that rational people can very easily see - hence why they are not duped by Israeli and its apologists propaganda, thankfully.

You know very well what hamas members did to helpless infants in the raid on households in Israel.You maybe don’t want to think about it too much, understandable as it was so horrific but it has to be faced.It wasn’t a war or conflict scenario or accidental killing, it was done deliberately.

People aren't asking about how to target Jewish businesses though, or how to support antisemitic violence. They asked about boycotting businesses that support the actions of the Israeli government and IDF.

As was made very clear earlier in the thread, boycotting such businesses should not involve targeting other businesses based on owners' perceived faith or ethnicity. That's wrong and in the case of the previous poster who described how their business had been wrongfully targeted, there might actually be grounds for legal action.

Well said.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

This. There is no way that the state of Israel with all of its military might, technology etc couldn’t have dealt with this differently.

Also, if every current adult in Gaza had voted for Hamas I still wouldn’t agree with what is happening in Gaza now. That is the reason im boycotting. Disney hasn’t exactly been along to dole out another $2 million to Gaza after almost every single one of its hospitals was blown up.

I don’t agree with Hamas, I accept a lot of people in Gaza want Israel gone, I accept that Hamas doesn’t share a Western view of human right. None of that makes this ok.