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Conflict in the Middle East

Boycotting Israeli products/services

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the7Vabo · 18/06/2024 15:54

I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

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IdaPrentice · 19/06/2024 19:32

OP if you're going to boycott Israel that's your choice, but at least do some proper research from unbiased sources about the companies you're choosing. For example, McDonalds the international corporation didn't donate meals to the IDF soldiers. McDonalds restaurants are run as franchises, and the restaurants in Israel gave meals to Israeli soldiers. Not really surprising, given the attacks of October 7th.
But then a story spreads on social media (which unlike 'MSM') doesn't have to do any fact-checking, then you get idiots in the UK demonstrating outside UK McDonalds.
I just googled Disney and Israel, and (ignoring the top result which is Tiktok) found an article saying Disney donated to a branch of the Red Cross in Israel, days after the 7th October attacks. Are you going to boycott the Red Cross too?

Comedycook · 19/06/2024 19:33

SharonEllis · 19/06/2024 18:32

I'm afraid he died a few days ago. The last Jew in Yemen.

Oh dear, I didn't know that...thank you

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 20:19

fluffy90 · 19/06/2024 19:11

I google searched "mumsnet" "boycott" and the abovelisted organisations, all in quotations marks so it only showed results with all 3 terms.

Nestlé- baby formula scandal - 4620 results
South Africa - apartheid - 14,500
McDonald's - the 'McLibel Trial' - 8370 results
The Sun - Hillsborough reporting - 13,000 results
M&S - female changing rooms policy - 5540
Lush - support for Mermaids - 3710
Body Shop - where do I even start - 4260 results
Temu - 39 results
Shein - 2230 results

ISRAEL - 16500 results

Perhaps that’s a measure of outrage against what Israel is doing?
How many women and children died from the M&S female changing room policy? 🙄

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 20:23

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 20:19

Perhaps that’s a measure of outrage against what Israel is doing?
How many women and children died from the M&S female changing room policy? 🙄

The point being made is there are far greater atrocities being made around the world by other nations and in some cases by corporations. But the one people are focussing all their energies on is the solitary Jewish nation.

Dulra · 19/06/2024 20:41

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 20:23

The point being made is there are far greater atrocities being made around the world by other nations and in some cases by corporations. But the one people are focussing all their energies on is the solitary Jewish nation.

Yes of course there's no other reason whatsoever why people would boycott Israeli products 🙄

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 20:51

Dulra · 19/06/2024 20:41

Yes of course there's no other reason whatsoever why people would boycott Israeli products 🙄

Disproportionate amount of conversation is focused on this conflict in the grand scheme of things.

GingerbreadVanMan · 19/06/2024 20:55

AutumnCrow · 19/06/2024 11:06

Any customer can express a preference, but the majority of pharmacies are sent what they are sent by their designated wholesaler.

I have to avoid Teva levothyroxine because of a known allergy to one its excipients. Levothyroxine is an essential medicine. A number of well-known pharmacy chains - all the nearest pharmacies to me, in fact - frequently only have Teva brand available, and can only say to me, 'Take it or leave it'. They can't order what their wholesaler doesn't stock.

In contrast, there are essential Teva medications, such as blood pressure meds, that don't contain the allergen, whereas other brands do.

That's the reality. Being on multiple medications with the now frequent swapping between brands and generics that pharmacies do - as approved by ICBs - is really draining for unwell customers/patients, especially during a time of medication shortages. Not everyone's able to repeatedly drive around from pharmacy to pharmacy seeking out multiple medicines and brands (and even then you might not be successful).

Expressing a preference doesn't supply essential medications to the patient. I would like to think that no-one vulnerable is feeling pressured to refuse Teva, although I understand the principles of boycott.

It may be more productive to analyse how and why Teva became the largest manufacturer of generic drugs in the world and why ICBs and pharmacies in England are so dependent on them. And would the boycott also apply to shareholders like Pfizer, including its epilepsy, oncology and antiparasitic drugs? It's a complex area. It's not carrots and Disney.

I’m perfectly aware medicine is not a tv streaming service or food item.
I am not pressuring anyone to refuse Teva brand medication and I never said people should go without their medication.
I’m simply letting people know that at every pharmacy I’ve ever worked in we try to accommodate customers when they ask for a specific brand, therefore there is absolutely no harm in asking your pharmacy if they can supply you with a different brand.
Also wholesalers stock multiple brands not just one.

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 21:01

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 20:23

The point being made is there are far greater atrocities being made around the world by other nations and in some cases by corporations. But the one people are focussing all their energies on is the solitary Jewish nation.

I think people would still boycott Israel if there were multiple Jewish nations. It’s not the fact it’s Jewish- unfortunate though that is- but due to what it’s government is doing.
I have previously said why people may boycott Israel as protest versus not boycotting China. Have the West supplied China arms to kill the Uyghurs or have the MPs denied the atrocities there? If they did- perhaps people would also think how they can protest against China.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/22/uk-mps-declare-china-is-committing-genocide-against-uyghurs-in-xinjiang

UK MPs declare China is committing genocide against Uyghurs in Xinjiang | Uyghurs | The Guardian

Vote does not compel government to act but marks further decline in relations with China

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/22/uk-mps-declare-china-is-committing-genocide-against-uyghurs-in-xinjiang

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 21:04

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 21:01

I think people would still boycott Israel if there were multiple Jewish nations. It’s not the fact it’s Jewish- unfortunate though that is- but due to what it’s government is doing.
I have previously said why people may boycott Israel as protest versus not boycotting China. Have the West supplied China arms to kill the Uyghurs or have the MPs denied the atrocities there? If they did- perhaps people would also think how they can protest against China.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/22/uk-mps-declare-china-is-committing-genocide-against-uyghurs-in-xinjiang

Huge amounts of trade is done with China and even more investment in very key parts of our public sector and infrastructure, so no, Western governments are not condemning disgusting breaches of human rights in the Far East.

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2024 21:13

I can't imagine why China want to invest in key parts of our infrastructure.

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 21:15

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 18:22

Nobody said anything about slagging anybody off, though.

And if a delivery driver or anyone else started slagging off nationalities or faiths to me, I'd be making a complaint, as, I hope, would most people.

Oh, so you're OK with the drivers agreeing about the boycott and to hell with victims of 7/10? I don't believe that happened anyway, or, at the very least, they were made to feel uncomfortable.

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 21:31

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 21:15

Oh, so you're OK with the drivers agreeing about the boycott and to hell with victims of 7/10? I don't believe that happened anyway, or, at the very least, they were made to feel uncomfortable.

Nobody said anything of the sort about the victims of 7/10, and that's a horrible thing to suggest.

Economic boycotts are legitimate ways to protest against and reduce our own contributions to the funding of businesses or governments engaging in practices with which we disagree. I'm ok with someone noticing a boycott-related request on a form and saying something positive about that if they share a person's view. For all you know, 'Harry' the delivery driver might have loved ones being killed in Palestine, or might be actively involved in humanitarian causes, and it might mean a lot to him to have someone demonstrating that they care too. If 'Harry' started coming out with racist or other hate speech, then complaints should be made, but there's nothing to suggest that happened. 'Harry' is reported to have made a supportive or positive comment about something. That's all.

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 21:34

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2024 21:13

I can't imagine why China want to invest in key parts of our infrastructure.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

(cough)

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 21:34

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2024 21:13

I can't imagine why China want to invest in key parts of our infrastructure.

The World GIF

Nor me

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 21:35

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 21:34

Nor me

Narf! I spent about 3 months having to listen to that cartoon on repeat when DC became obsessed with it. Kind of miss it now.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 19/06/2024 21:41

I don't believe in boycotting the victim of a warmongering terrorist regime. I'd rather go out of my way to support Israel by purchasing its goods. BDS is a racist ideology.

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 21:42

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 21:31

Nobody said anything of the sort about the victims of 7/10, and that's a horrible thing to suggest.

Economic boycotts are legitimate ways to protest against and reduce our own contributions to the funding of businesses or governments engaging in practices with which we disagree. I'm ok with someone noticing a boycott-related request on a form and saying something positive about that if they share a person's view. For all you know, 'Harry' the delivery driver might have loved ones being killed in Palestine, or might be actively involved in humanitarian causes, and it might mean a lot to him to have someone demonstrating that they care too. If 'Harry' started coming out with racist or other hate speech, then complaints should be made, but there's nothing to suggest that happened. 'Harry' is reported to have made a supportive or positive comment about something. That's all.

@HelpAGirlOut1234 suggested the drivers agreed with her boycott and hoped the produced rotted on the shelves (cringe).You can be as disingenuous as you like. For any employee, to make a political and partial statement, would be against any professional guidelines and they would be reprimanded.

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 21:43

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 21:04

Huge amounts of trade is done with China and even more investment in very key parts of our public sector and infrastructure, so no, Western governments are not condemning disgusting breaches of human rights in the Far East.

They have done - see article I have posted.

The differential attitude from some western countries towards atrocities around the world may be a factor in people marching and boycotting as a form of protest.

It is interesting that the US is considering labelling goods from occupied territories to facilitate boycott. Is the US government antisemitic?

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 21:51

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 21:42

@HelpAGirlOut1234 suggested the drivers agreed with her boycott and hoped the produced rotted on the shelves (cringe).You can be as disingenuous as you like. For any employee, to make a political and partial statement, would be against any professional guidelines and they would be reprimanded.

How does that have any reference to the victims of 7/10?

You can dislike a boycott or disapprove of someone sharing their views on it, but it's not accurate to say that either a boycott or an expressed opinion says anything about people's empathy for the victims of a terrorist attack.

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 21:53

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 21:51

How does that have any reference to the victims of 7/10?

You can dislike a boycott or disapprove of someone sharing their views on it, but it's not accurate to say that either a boycott or an expressed opinion says anything about people's empathy for the victims of a terrorist attack.

Sorry, must dash. I smell some lit gas.

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 22:09

So, yeah... I'm guessing nobody actually said anything about 7/10 other than in an effort to score points on the internet. Which is a really disrespectful thing to do.

It is possible for people to recognise the atrocities of 7/10 and to be opposed to the aggressive and disproportionate response of the Israeli government and IDF which has resulted in tens of thousands of innocent lives being lost and changed forever.

If people look at the humanitarian crisis in Palestine and are wondering if there is anything they can do to help, economic boycotts of companies which pay large amounts in tax to the government responsible can and do make a difference.

If people are looking to start getting involved in boycotting, remember that even small changes add up over time and with lots of people making them. I'd also encourage people to look at how we can change our shopping habits overall to be more ethical. There are many places around the world where human rights abuses are taking place. Even if it's pretty much impossible to boycott 'Made in China' these days, we can try to reduce our consumption of sweatshop products, non-essential products made in countries with appalling human rights records, etc., and in the process we can support local businesses, ethical practices and reduce our carbon footprint too.

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 22:20

Scirocco · 19/06/2024 22:09

So, yeah... I'm guessing nobody actually said anything about 7/10 other than in an effort to score points on the internet. Which is a really disrespectful thing to do.

It is possible for people to recognise the atrocities of 7/10 and to be opposed to the aggressive and disproportionate response of the Israeli government and IDF which has resulted in tens of thousands of innocent lives being lost and changed forever.

If people look at the humanitarian crisis in Palestine and are wondering if there is anything they can do to help, economic boycotts of companies which pay large amounts in tax to the government responsible can and do make a difference.

If people are looking to start getting involved in boycotting, remember that even small changes add up over time and with lots of people making them. I'd also encourage people to look at how we can change our shopping habits overall to be more ethical. There are many places around the world where human rights abuses are taking place. Even if it's pretty much impossible to boycott 'Made in China' these days, we can try to reduce our consumption of sweatshop products, non-essential products made in countries with appalling human rights records, etc., and in the process we can support local businesses, ethical practices and reduce our carbon footprint too.

That’s true @Scirocco - some people avoid sweatshop products for a variety of reasons, as well as avoid buying unnecessary plastic products that will go into a landfill. I am always conscious about this when buying for my family and gifts for others.

Consumers make purchases based an a variety of ethical reasons.

Dulra · 19/06/2024 22:29

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 22:20

That’s true @Scirocco - some people avoid sweatshop products for a variety of reasons, as well as avoid buying unnecessary plastic products that will go into a landfill. I am always conscious about this when buying for my family and gifts for others.

Consumers make purchases based an a variety of ethical reasons.

Absolutely

I am currently boycotting anywhere that refuses to take cash. I work with people who are homeless and many (well most) don't have a bank account and are f**d in the current push for a cashless society. Same for quite a number of elderly people too.

keenforhelp · 19/06/2024 22:31

Rocknrollstar · 18/06/2024 22:13

I do hope in your attempt to boycott anything to do with Israel you have given up your smart phone, aren’t using an Intel processor on your computer and have checked who owns the patents on any medicines you and your family are receiving, especially if they are having cancer treatment. Are you going to boycott all Chinese goods? They are conducting a genocide on the Rohingers.

Of course she nor anybody else writing on this thread to boycott Israeli products and services are going to give up their creature comforts or decline life saving medicine that were brought to the world by brilliant Israeli minds.

Hypocrisy and irony at its finest.

fluffy90 · 19/06/2024 22:35

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 20:19

Perhaps that’s a measure of outrage against what Israel is doing?
How many women and children died from the M&S female changing room policy? 🙄

And apartheid in SA?

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