Petition for the United Kingdom to recognise the state of Palestine

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Petition: For the United Kingdom to recognise the state of Palestine immediately

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/653509

Of the 27-members of the European Union, Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Cyprus, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Bulgaria have already recognised a Palestinian state. Malta and Slovenia have indicated they could follow.

Britain, France and Australia have said they are considering recognition.

Starmer is unlikely to be sympathetic, his wife is Jewish.

Those Jews, influencing our politicians.

If a future Lib Dem leader were to have a Jewish spouse, or heaven forbid be Jewish themselves, would you still be constantly telling people to vote for them?

@youngones1 I think starmer's approach to the current conflict has been abyssmal

but what the actual fuck?

Well we’re clearly talking about opinions, matters of policy, morality etc not matters of fact.

There has to be a reason why generations of people have not been able to agree a way of dealing with the problems in the Middle East. The most likely explanation is not that one side have all the right opinions and the other is ‘uneducated’.

It’s not an unusual view- but seems to have come as a shock for you? @therealcookiemonster

”Now a new YouGov survey, conducted on 29 February-1 March, with the vast majority of responses having been gathered prior to the results of the by-election becoming known, shows that only 14% of Britons say Keir Starmer has handled Labour’s response well”

“Starmer is seen as having managed the issue poorly by those on all sides of the conflict: 67% of those who sympathise primarily with the Palestinians say so, as do 69% of those who sympathise most with the Israelis, and 53% of those who sympathise with both sides equally.”

Are you actually aware of how poorly we feel our politicians are handling this?

People across the political spectrum want an IMMEDIATE ceasefire.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48796-keir-starmer-has-handled-labours-response-on-gaza-badly-say-public-and-labour-voters#:~:text=Just%2014%25%20of%20Britons%20%2D%20and,party's%20policy%20on%20Gaza%20well&text=Those%20who%20voted%20for%20Labour,he%20has%20handled%20it%20poorly.

https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post/1585-new-poll-shows-sustained-british-public-support-for-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-the-suspension-of-uk-arms-sales-to-israel

@Polka83 I was responding to the hugely antisemitic comment by @youngones1 which thankfully has now been deleted

in that it's fine to criticise starmer but not OK to make antisemitic comments and dragging his wife into it

With all due respect to Anas Sarwar, he's an MSP and foreign policy is out of his remit. Scottish Labour is not independent of the Parliamentary Labour Party's NEC.

They will have the policy Starmer's Labour decrees which was set out by Wayne David, Labour’s Shadow Middle East minister:

"We will recognise the state of Palestine at a point which will help the peace process once negotiations between Israel and Palestine and the others are taking place.

It’s not about the Labour government going, ‘right we recognise Palestine’, big deal!

We want to see a state of Palestine being established but there is not a state of Palestine now.”

He added a two State Solution has to be mutually agreeable to Israel otherwise you don't have a basis for a workable peace process or long term solution.

At the end of the day, it's the same position as that of the Conservatives - agreement in principle with conditions attached.

As for Flynn, as I said earlier SNP is projected to go from 43 MPs to.....16. Westminster SNP will be more irrelevant - not more relevant - should that prediction come to pass.

The SNP tried to bring in a vote on an immediate ceasefire which Starmer managed to circumvent, arguably to prevent internal Labour dissent/ rebellion being displayed.

Hopefully this petition will see a debate on this in the commons at least. Then, it will be interesting going forward to see how how Labour, Green, SNP and LD MPs vote on ME issues.

I have reservations- but not so sure as you are that this election will have no impact on future policy in ME. It will depend on how Labour use their whip and allow free votes.

I'm sure plenty of people saw your awful post before it got deleted, yes.

I note that Keir has praised Israel's approach to Gaza...

And? What has that got to do with his wife?

If you're suggesting that means he's not in favour of recognising a Palestinian State at a time that's appropriate within the context of a peace process, then that definitely doesn't follow!

And, yes, it's not appropriate to bring his wife into this.

That’s a bit defeatist

Before signing any petition, ask yourself 3 questions: would you want to be a woman with Hamas in charge of your country? And would you want to be gay under Hamas leadership? And do Hamas really care for its people? If so, why have they never used their tunnels as bomb shelters for civilians?
We're all appalled seeing the suffering in Gaza (I see my grandchildren's faces in the injured children being rushed into hospital and it makes me want to weep) but Hamas has freely promised that there will be more October 7ths. They won't rest until every Jew is killed.

A government led by far right politicians being investigated for war crimes is far more appealing to me.

And the answer to my questions?
Because you can be a woman free to work and voice your opinions under Israeli law and you can watch your girls grow up to be free. You can be as gay as you want to be under Israeli leadership. There is precious little freedom under Hamas government.

What about the lady who recently voiced her opinion in Israel and was bound and blindfolded and lead away? That does not look to me like a woman is safe to have her opinion.

Or is it only SOME women?

In a one state solution do Israelis support the idea of one person one vote?

That's not for us to judge though.
If Palestine was a state and there were free elections, freedom to travel, freedom to control their own borders, their own imports and exports that had the freedom of self determination thier who knows who they'd vote for to govern. I am not sure why you would think they would be better under Israeli rule?

Thing is, it would be a brave person willing to vote against Hamas even if there were elections. Other strong Islamic states aren't known for free elections.....

I don't really understand your point tbh? I wouldn't want to live in Israel under their government but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a recognised state. Israel have freely promised the starvation of Palestinians and are carrying it out but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a recognised state.

Do you think we should take away Israels statehood and force them to earn it back by behaving in ways that we approve of because that is what you are suggesting we force Palestinians to do. Behave in a way we approve of in order to have a state.

Netanyahu might well be defeated in the next election. The populace have the freedom to consign him to history if they want to.

Please can you provide a link for that?