Petition for the United Kingdom to recognise the state of Palestine

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Petition: For the United Kingdom to recognise the state of Palestine immediately

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/653509

Of the 27-members of the European Union, Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Cyprus, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Bulgaria have already recognised a Palestinian state. Malta and Slovenia have indicated they could follow.

Britain, France and Australia have said they are considering recognition.

thank you for this

yeah OK. Nice to know its Israel that's being terrorised.

not the kids being blown up in tents

exactly

but you are forgetting the crucial detail that the minute this war stops, Netanyahu will fCe corruption charges, not to mention the Wrath of the Israeli people who are fed up and have been let down by this sad excuse of a government

Israel and the Palestinians are both being terrorised by Hamas. No idea why their responsibility for all this is completely ignored. Why isn’t anyone campaigning for them to fight according to international law? They are the official government of Gaza, not just a bunch of randoms.

if Palestine has been denied statehood then it cannot have an official government.

Once it has official statehood by all means it can be held to account

and no one here is saying hamas isn't a problem, but please educate yourself on the long history of the region, how hamas came about, how Israel was formed etc.

hamas doesn't exist in a vacuum.

I'm a British Jew married to an Israeli and I don't know a single Jew or Israeli who doesn't want their to be a Palestinian state. One that is peaceful, coexistent, and not ruled by a violently antisemitic genocidal Islamo-fascist terror regime like Hamas.

Do you think Israel should build a wall around the new Palestine state and control it too?

Yes you’re right, it was late at night and I’ve had a week already.

Thanks for the patronising emoji that didn’t need to be there.

100%, thanks for sharing.

Why shouldn’t Israel defend its own border? If there is a Palestinian state why should Israel be expected to have open borders with it? Or supply it with anything at all?

@SherryPalmer there's a difference between a border and a blockade.

Exactly, the Zionists have been expansionist ever since the 1940s and are feign surprise when their neighbours react. They then use the reaction as a pretext for further colonisation as they are doing now in Gaza. This will continue as long as the US backs them. For the adjoining countries they are the neighbours from hell.

A terrorist organisation is not bound by International law. On the other hand the only democracy in the ME, one which signed up to the Geneva convention, is.

The Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols form the core of international humanitarian law (IHL).

The ICRC asserts explicitly that "IHL applies both to armed forces and to non-State armed groups. Acts of terrorism in other situations may be subject to other bodies of law, in particular domestic criminal law".

So, yes, non-State terrorist groups are bound by IHL in addition to other instruments of law of which domestic criminal law is just one example.

“Educate yourself” has to be the most patronising phrase ever invented.

Just because someone has an opinion you don’t like, it doesn’t mean they are ignorant.

Lots of sloganeering here.

Interesting use of ‘Zionist’ as a pejorative term. Note how zionism, which is the belief that Jews should have a homeland, is being rebranded as something evil.

Also the use of the buzzword ‘colonialism’. All you have to do is use the right buzzwords and you can very quickly tap into cultural antipathy towards colonialism and use it against Israel. It is clearly not a colonial state. What is it a colony of? It consists in large part of people who were refugees, many from the Middle East.

It's pointless as all petitions are being deleted on Thursday and won't be re-stated after the election, they have to be started from scratch once a new government is formed.

actually depending on the opinion, it does

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One reason why some people don't campaign for Hamas to fight according to international law is they think it doesn't apply to terrorist groups. Shows a lack of knowledge.

Another might be they think there's no point as Hamas will ignore it. BUT there is definitely value in the general public demonstrating far more vocally against Hamas than we're seeing. It sends a clear message to Hamas that their main method of communication - terrorist violence - isn't working on them, that they view Hamas as a clear danger to Palestinians as well as to Israelis and that they should cease their fire.

Oh, and they should release all hostages without harming them. Too late now for public demonstrations of that.

I'm sure there may be other reasons in the potential mix, but it's 11pm and I'm getting ready for bed! 🤣

No it won’t be deleted:

“My petition got 100,000 signatures before the site closed. Will it get debated?
The current Petitions Committee (the group of MPs who decide which petitions are debated) will no longer exist when Parliament is dissolved. Decisions about whether to debate any petitions from the current Parliament will be the responsibility of the new Petitions Committee. This has generally happened after previous elections, but would be up to the new Committee.”

The total number who have signed is now nearing 270,000.
Can’t see how any future petitions committee can ignore, and more immediately- it’s having an impact on upcoming elections.

”SNP’s new leader John Swinney has warned that he’d force a vote on recognition in the Commons after the election if the main parties refused to recognise a state immediately.”

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/labour-will-recognise-palestine-says-partys-deputy-leader/

Denmark and, IIRC, Australia have recently voted to reject recognition of a Palestinian State arguing it is not conducive to a peace process at this time.

UK will do the same.

Swinney is an MSP who should concentrate on devolved Scottish affairs as foreign policy is outside of his remit as First Minister. If Flynn (MP) wants to try that as SNP Commons Leader, he can try.

That'll depend on how many seats SNP loses. Currently projected to drop from current total of 43 seats to 16!

It’s good that Flynn has similar views to the SNP leader Swinney then.

Even Labour’s Scottish leader supports Palestinian state as a right, and “not a gift of a neighbour.”

There are plenty of Jewish people absolutely horrified by the unfolding atrocities. There are also plenty who are not zionists.

Not really. A person may be well-informed but use the information to reach a different conclusion. Sometimes even an eccentric conclusion. It doesn’t mean they are ignorant.

It’s much easier to ignore someone if you tell yourself they are poorly-informed but it’s often dishonest. For example, I know several people who voted for brexit and were called stupid, ignorant or gullible. In fact, they had well-founded reasons for their decision and were voting in their own interests. I was a remainer myself but I hate it when people assume that, armed with the right information, all reasonable people will have the same opinions (and therefore people without the right opinions are always either ill-informed or not reasonable).

that's nice

I hope you feel that way about flat earthers, anti vaxxers and holocaust deniers