New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

You did, although kind of hard to see now that your posts have gone AWOL. You asked if I had sympathy for Palestinain prisoners (despite it having fuck all to do with the thread), I said yes, you asked if I was sure, I said yes and asked if you believed me, you said no. Hence calling me a liar.

What line of work are you in to deal with the "left-left-left"? We don't get that many in the UK

They probably wouldn't describe themselves that way, which makes it all the more scary. Academic publishing.

And your characterisation of many people on the left is entirely accurate, particularly around antisemitism as well as other issues. I say that as someone firmly on the left!

I think there are just a lot of humans with "a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control". I've worked with plenty of people like that from many backgrounds and political persuasions.
I don't think people who behave like that as individuals are fascists. Fascists to me are people who think the country/ leader/politicians should be run like that.

Thank you.
I will Google them all.

There is certainly a difference between personality and politics, but one easily segues into the other. We're drawn to ideologies that reflect our essential nature.

In my experience, the "lefties" tend to work in packs, adopting Groupthink, whereas the "righties" are more idiosyncratic, often mavericks (think along the lines of someone like Jordan Peterson).

The trouble with the Groupthink packs is that they put others under enormous pressure to conform to their belief system, whereas the oddball mavericks are quite used to no one agreeing with them and almost take pride in it, presenting their ideas more as a form of self-expression.

These are obviously wild generalisations, but that's my overall impression from 20+ years in the field.

I normally take no interest whatsoever in politics and would not describe myself as left, right or centre. None of it works. "Bubble of my own" is about right. I've only been drawn into these discussions because I hate seeing Jewish people being bullied.

(And no, I have no religion either; I suppose I was brought up Welsh Chapel, but consider religion a complete waste of time – like politics, it's just bullshit that's responsible for too much human suffering.)

Nothing like a bit of wild stereotyping!
All humans do groupthink - its human nature. You are demonstrating your own "ingroup/outgroup" by stereotyping "the left".

Ah yes, I'm not above a bit of wild stereotyping 😜
...but I didn't just make it up, these are impressions gained over a long period of time.

Take no notice of me, though. I did warn you I live in my own bubble!!! 😁

It's astonishing that this Hamas film has not been featured much in the media. Just tells me all I need to know about how slanted this whole Middle East coverage is these days.

I asked if you were sure when you said this was not what the thread was about not about your sympathy....no idea why my posts have gone...nothing offensive or against the rules

I can honestly say as someone on the left, with a wide circle of left friends & family & having also mixed in very right wing circles the left does have a particularly didactic character to its groupthink. This is not an earthshatteringly original thought. I'm just surprised anyone is pushing back on it. The whole debate around antisemitism brought this into sharp focus because left wing people are 'antiracist' & live out their 'morality' in a particular way so therefore could not conceive of their own racism & thought racists were by definition right wing people. 'All humans do groupthink' is just another 'all lives matter'. You need to be able to understand and critically evaluate the differences or you cant solve the problems.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13451089/The-father-son-Hamas-rapists-Terrorists-going-house-house-carrying-sex-attacks-murder-One-screamed-cried-father-raped-did-cousin-did-father-killed-her.html

God, its unbearable. I know someone who works in counter terrorism and within a few days of the massacre they had a briefing in which they were told things that he could not share. He said it was worse than anything that was reported.

That translation of the words as 'the girls that can get pregnant' is highly contentious. Best to check for accuracy before assumptions- not to defend any of the rest of it.

Thank you, it is very helpful to have an explanation like yours of what Zionism means, and everything you say is understandable in terms of Jewish people needing a safe homeland after WW11.

Thank you, this is what I was trying to say.

What the fuck kind of response is this? He was kept hostage for years. And he was exchanged for 1027 prisoners including terrorists and murderers, one of the released being Sinwar who is currently hiding away with the hostages in Gaza. But you know this, because you've already been told this. You just don't give a flying fuck.

What about the two soldiers kidnapped by terrorists in Lebanon? Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Two years of negotiations and they let the terrorist and murderer Samir Kuntar and others go in exchange for them. Except, of course, the Israeli soldiers were dead. No one knew that until they were returned though.

That's how negotiating with terrorists go - fucking badly.

On the one side we have far right terrorists and on the other side we have the left defending them. It's extremely odd.

It sounded like he said "sabaya" - is that what you heard?

It seems pretty clear to me from the footage, though, what those 'men' wanted and what they took.

And this too is what I think we've all been trying to say so far.

There's clearly a blind spot.

Since everyone acknowledges the evils of Hamas, it seems the blind spot is when looking the other way... and, as suggested earlier, I think it has to do with innate prejudices about what fascism looks like (literally).

I think actual videos with hostages have been avoided by the main television new outlets on the whole as being disrespectful, though in this case the families have said they want it to be seen.

Has this fairly detailed BBC report been posted? It does not show the video but a still, and a photograph of Nama Levi, one of the hostages on the video, who was also shown months ago just after being captured, being pulled by her hair, with blood on her trousers and being pushed into a puck up truck. Her brother speaks of her in this BBC report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg33j53qe31o

Just wanted to add the reason we hear Nama Levi on the video say she has friends in Gaza, is that she did, she was a peace activist. This is in the BBC report.

Not sure that's fair or accurate.

I'm not sure if you read the AMA by an Israeli woman, but she described some of these peace initiatives and how betrayed families felt when they realised the Gazan(s) they considered friends turned out to be Hamas spies who were checking out the kibbutz to help plan the attack (layout, who would be at home at various times, etc).