New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

I am sure that hundreds have already reported it as there are many "lurkers" on these boards too intimidated to post.

This.

I live in a multi cultural city and have friends of all religions and none. My in-laws are Jewish, though I’m not and did t convert. They have always welcomed and loved me. I am deeply saddened tfat they, and some very dear friends, are living if not in absolute fear then certainly in a constant state of unease.
I have been equally saddened and shocked by the attitudes of self proclaimed left and liberal individuals, who I’d previously considered friends and allies. and their callous disregard of October 7th. It’s almost as though they can’t even acknowledge what happened. All I hear is anti- Jewish, anti Israeli sentiment. If they can separate Palestinians from Hamas how can they not condemn what Hamas did?

@AnotherDelphinium Haven't you read the room?

Wow.

Just... Wow.

I actually don't know what to say.

Haven't you read the room?

They have, and thus set out to cause maximum offense.

Yes they have, that's why they're doing this.

It's not just us, right? Like, you see it too? Absolutely revolting.

I’m sorry you just want an echo chamber. As @Scirocco suggested earlier maybe this needs to be on an “Israeli Mumsnetters” forum.

There is obviously no appetite for a genuine discussion. I’ll leave you to it 😔

yes they plural for sure.

A poster said that the surveillance girls put up military resistance as they were trained to do. I think they did not really have that chance.

The IDF left us like sitting ducks,” said Yaara. “The fighters at least had weapons and were killed like heroes. The female surveillance soldiers were abandoned by the army and simply slaughtered without having any chance to defend themselves.”

The report even quoted one of the surveillance soldiers apologizing for waking a commander in the early hours of October 7 to report that she was seeing “something strange.”

and then there was this added cruelty: the survivors were sent back.

Haaretz also said that many of the soldiers who survived the massacre have been told they will face sanctions for desertion if they don’t return to their posts. Many of the soldiers are dealing with severe trauma, having survived an assault in which friends and colleagues were massacred when Hamas terrorists overran the bases.

“We tried to explain that we can’t go back,” said a soldier identified as May. “We lost our friends. For hours we hid with corpses.”

“The commanders have not visited us. No one from the army has come to talk to us and ask how we feel. Our existence is simply ignored,” she said.

In response, the military said it had been providing support to the soldiers.

Fifteen female soldiers were killed at the Nahal Oz base on October 7, with a further six abducted and held hostage in Gaza. One soldier, Pvt. Ori Megidish, was rescued by IDF troops during an operation in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-say-oct-7-warnings-ignored-charge-sexism-played-a-role/

Of all the shocking things in this war, what happened to these young women is one of the very most shocking imo

@ChickyBricky - right now Isreal stands alone in thinking that it’s actions are justified. Even it’s most staunch supporters (I’m talking international governments) have urged restraint and increased dialogue and respect for the rules of war. Surely you must question authorities that ignore their friends and are leading Israel down a path of being increasingly isolated.

I don't think I suggested that anywhere...?

No she didn't, @Scirocco suggested no such thing. She was being supportive of these poor poor souls.

Bollocks @Scirocco or anyone else suggested this. Are you high?

You suggested other posters went to the Muslims mumsnetters board for a “safer space”, but you’ve obviously forgotten that.

Gees @lotus786 enough with the whataboutery on a thread about those poor poor girls.

The intent. The depravity. The savagery. The bestiality. It's heart-breaking.

Another disgusting blaming Israel for Hamas post. How is this being allowed on here?

I think she was saying this isn't the thread to discuss what the other poster was wanting to discuss, which was basically anything but the topic at hand. But I'd much rather that other poster come back and derail the thread to their heart's content than see any more posts from you on the topic.

@AnotherDelphinium you've had lots of attention now go and play somewhere else.

I was just letting that poster, who seemed upset, know that space exists, as well as that there are threads available for discussion of the issues she mentioned. I don't think there is an Israeli Mumsnetters board?

@AnotherDelphinium
Well done. Good of you to show up and demonstrate for everyone how an antisemite thinks and behaves because some posters haven’t always understood the problem.

I guess that’s the sort of person who tears down posters of child hostages 😣

This is more about the epically tragic experience of the young surveillance female soldiers.

It is from an extremely detailed Haaretz article November 2023 you can find on archive ph. if you put in this headline.

The Women Soldiers Who Warned of a Pending Hamas Attack – and Were Ignored

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2023.12.15-190922/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-women-soldiers-who-warned-of-a-pending-hamas-attack-and-were-ignored/0000018b-ed76-d4f0-affb-eff740150000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.is/2023.12.15-190922/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-women-soldiers-who-warned-of-a-pending-hamas-attack-and-were-ignored/0000018b-ed76-d4f0-affb-eff740150000

“there are Hamas operatives who are constantly examining the places where we are less effective with the cameras. They really planned everything down to the smallest detail. Anyone who says today that it was unavoidable or that it was impossible to know – that’s a lie.”

In her words, ”They abandoned our friends to die because nobody wanted to listen to us. It’s beneath their dignity to listen to a sergeant – who for two years has been staring at the same screen and knows every stone, every grain of sand – tell them something contrary to what the senior intelligence officers are telling them. Who am I, some little woman, before a man with the rank of major or lieutenant colonel, for whom everybody stands at attention when he enters the room?”

This again?

Blaming their commanding officers? Forgive me if you this not what you are saying by posting this on this thread.