Israel Gaza war: ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo

No that's not what I said. Please stop making shit up. I was referring to your fantasy.

If you think the "people of Israel" would be okay with a foreign army (you refuse to say which army) rocking up at their border, marching into the knesset and arresting their elected leader you're deluded.

Yes that is true for us, UK, as one of the elite in crowd. But it isn’t true for those on the other side of the double standards. Violations of international law has been and is currently used as a causus belli by us to invade those other countries or come to the defence of our fellow in-countries.

International laws are as much a pretext for war as they are rules of war.

Apparently unlikely to pass into law so just a little light intimidation instead

US House passes ICC sanctions bill over Netanyahu arrest warrant request

Vote is Congress’s first legislative rebuke of war-crimes court since ICC prosecutor’s decision to seek arrests of leaders of Israel and Hamas

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/04/us-house-icc-sanctions-netanyahu-

It is so infuriating that these Congress people have decided to do this, they are not doing their job as their job is to represent their voters and the vast majority of the voting public support the ICC warrants if the ICC rules there is sufficient evidence to issue them.

I am waiting to see what Nethanyu says to Congress when he does his speech.
It’s such a dick move too, so swan off on this business trip to give what I expect to be a speech on good&evil and then likely whine and dine in DC when his country is in complete chaos and his criminal trials are on hold.

I suppose it is a nice jolly for him.

I’m pretty sure US are covering their arses, because if he isn’t guilty they can’t have assisted him with his crimes. The hole keeps on getting bigger!

That's a complete lie given you wernt even talking to me when you said it 😆. Your back tracking and badly as well you clearly said the word ask the palastinians and "their fantasy" it's there in black and white you claim people are making things up lol

For fucks sake.

We were talking about what you said. You talked about how you want Israel to be invaded. I asked what happens to Israelis in that situation. The poster said what happens to Palestinians in that situation. I said "I don't know, because I was responding to the poser who thinks another country should go after Israel. If you want to know what happens to Palestinians in their [your] little fantasy, ask them not me."

I understand that the work their could potentially refer to multiple parties in that sentence. But after I explained that it referred to you, you continued to come back on the thread every few days or so to throw personal attacks and accusations at me. You seem desperate to paint me as some heartless bloodthirsty monster some reason I can't fucking fathom.

Yes you're right. I want more people to die. Love people dying me, evil heartless monster that I am.

I didn't say I want it to be invaded.... I never want it to be invaded let me make that absolutely clear. I've read the quote of what you said back and I can see you were directing them to what I was saying now that you have provided context but I can tell you that on reading it, it doesn't read like that so you should be more careful about the words you write. However you weren't lying so I apologise for saying that. Now kindly stop saying I want a country invaded just because I want a person accused of genocide to have a fair trial and be answerable to allegations. If this were you it were happening to wouldn't you want the alleged perpetrator to face justice?

You want a country invaded. You want a foreign army to enter a country without it's permission. That's an Invasion

This is ridiculous. The spotlight shouldn’t be on a user for being unaware of the correct technical language to use, it should be on Netanyahu, who the ICC are seeking an arrest warrant for. Why aren’t people more concerned about Israel being governed by a blood thirsty criminal?

Technical language? What are you talking about?

Why so rude? Seems pretty obvious that she's referring to the 2 or 3 pages of 'back and forth' between 2 posters that shows little sign of resolving the 'who said what' and what did they mean

Thanks @Efacsen

@TrickyRibbon any thoughts on the ICC seeking an arrest warrant for Netanyahu?

I was pleased to see that Labour accept the independence of the ICC, and also today I read that their manifesto will say they would recognise a Palestinian state as part of the peace process.

Rude? I didn't know what the poster was talking about so I asked. I'm sorry you find that so much worse than calling someone a liar or saying they want innocent people to die or wanting a country to be invaded.

My thoughts are that it's up to judges to determine whether there's enough evidence for a warrant to be issued, not me. But if one is issued, I'm not naive or bloodthirsty enough to hope it means troops storming into Tel Aviv.

Sorry I've been away a few days. I did call them a liar and then I realised they were not so I apologised. Secondly they seemed extremely concerned that if other countries entered Israel to capture Netanyahu that people would die, they asked if that's what i wanted and suggested it shouldn't happen because of that and yet they showed absolutely no concern what so ever for the palastinians currently dying for the capture of Hamas. Thats double standards and if that thought process was followed in every country, how many blood thirsty genocidal leaders would still be in power?

Yes, how dare someone care about the bloodshed that would result in the invasion you're calling for.

Incidentally, do you think we should invade Russia and arrest Putin? Do you think that would go well for anyone?

And for that matter, if an arrest warrant is issued for the Hamas leaders should be invade Gaza to arrest them?

Absolutely but that has already happened hasn't it.... its been invaded and there's no outrage over that from you?

You've conveniently evaded my question. Why so much concern for lives of one country but absolutely none for the country that has already been invaded?

But hasn't been invaded by us.

You didn't ask me a question. I asked you one, about Putin. I could say you conveniently evaded mine if I felt like being a dick.

Regarding Russia. You use a bad example for a number of reasons. One of them and I think supporters of Mr Nethenahu would do well to look at the numbers of the Russia, Ukraine conflict and weigh them against the Israel, hamas conflict.

Russia has killed 10,000 Ukrainian civilians in 2 years. That's 10,000 to many but what it hasn't done is kill 35,000 in 6 months. It also didn't withold vital aid and it didn't prevent civilians fleeing as refugees.

I think what's happening In Gaza has shown us that whilst Russia should leave Ukraine and it remains wrong that it invaded, it has conducted itself very differently than Mr Nethenahu and yet has recieved alot more criticism from leaders of the west.

So Gaza hasn't been invaded? Incidentally yes I think gaza should be entered also if hamas leaders remain at large.

I wanted to create a separate post for your Russia comparison. I think if Mr Putin was to actually stand trial he would use the numbers of deaths and methods of warfare used in Gaza as part of his defence to be honest. The difference is stark and it really opened my eyes to the double standards used when it suits by some western leaders....

There is an arrest warrant out for Putin. You are suggesting that if an arrest warrant is issued for Neranyahu we should invade Israel and arrest him. But not Putin.

10,000 civilian deaths is not enough for an invasion but 35,000 is. Where exactly is the arbitrary line that you have drawn? And when it has been crossed in Ukraine then do we invade Russia? Or Gaza, if the arrest warrant is issued?