Syria

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Has Syria been forgotten and who is to blame for civilian deaths in this region. It is Assad or rebel groups?

(Its a conflict in the middle East with huge civilian casualties but doesn't involve Israel so I guess this thread will for a death)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=The%20Syrian%20civil%20war%20(Arabic,sponsored%20and%20non%2Dstate%20actors.

"Israeli warplanes launched strikes’ targeting a series of sites including air defence units and ‘surface-to-surface missile depots’,” the war monitor said. It said Sunday’s bombardment was “the heaviest strikes in Syria’s coastal region since the start of strikes in 2012”.

The size of the blast could indicate the presence of a large amount of stored weapons."

The size of the blast could indicate the presence of a large amount of stored weapons.
Why are they blowing them up? That is hardly a safe and accurate way to decommission them. It is a complete disregard for human life. As people have mentioned the people of Syria are deeply traumatised how is this helping? They have been asked to stop why don't they?

It's a clear unprovoked violation, they have already taken over the buffer zone, vowed to expand settlements in occupied Syrian land, launched multiple airstrikes for the last week that keep getting bigger and bigger. Now imagine if it was the other way round. There's no defending them. It's provocative behaviour, it's almost as if they are willing for the Syrians to retaliate so they can start another war there too.

You honestly can't see why Israel would want to destroy weapons that could fall into the hands of jihadists on their border? Or that might fall into the hands of Iranian proxies? Really? There might be other ways of dealing with this problem, but its completely disingenous to pretend it might not be a real problem.

It's typical double standards and bare faced bullying Israeli hypocrisy. We will bomb the shit out of you but dare you retaliate in the slightest and see what happens.

Do you know what is disingenuous? Pretending that Israel's actions are rational in any way.

Targetted strikes on weapons facilities is not bombing the shit out of Syrians is it?

The Syrians have had enough for sure.
Im not sure it’s such a bad thing to destroy the missile depots.
The article says “The size of the blast could indicate the presence of a large amount of stored weapons.”
I think it’s better for the average Syrian citizen if the government focuses on restoring infrastructure etc . The presence of large amounts of weaponry might lead to more instability and infighting .
I can also understand why Israel would have concerns about the large stores of missiles in what is potentially a volatile and hostile state on its border.
Perhaps there is something I’m missing but I can’t feel that this action is at all comparable to the bombing of residential areas in Gaza.

Who gave Israel the right to bomb any country willy nilly? Who gave Israel the right to deliberately breach the buffer zone? To target the Syrian naval fleet? To be 25 miles away from Damascus with tanks?
First Gaza, then Lebanon and now Syria, who is next? If I was Israel's neighbour , I would be very worried.

@Opheliawasntmad no, it isn't comparable. Gaza is going through a genocide at the hands of Israel so not comparable at all. But as pointed out above whay its still wrong.

I can also understand why Israel would have concerns about the large stores of missiles in what is potentially a volatile and hostile state on its border.
Perhaps there is something I’m missing but I can’t feel that this action is at all comparable to the bombing of residential areas in Gaza.
The bit you are missing is Israel deciding they can comb the weapons out of existence without any collaboration with anyone on the safe way to dispose of them. There is an interim government in place in Syria have they informed them of their decision? They have been asked to stop by the UN but are ignoring that.

in what is potentially a volatile and hostile state on its border.
Potentially being the word here, Israel by their actions seem to have decided they are

They aren't targetting countries willy nilly. Honestly, all so hysterical. A group of rebels with varying degrees of jihadist roots has just taken over a country on their border. Islamists tend not to be favourable to Jewish people or Israel. They are surrounded by Iranian proxies that want to destroy them and have regularly attacked them. They are working to destroy or contain those proxies. Entirely logical to want to contain potential threats in Syria. Can't see why this is so hard to understand.

If I’m honest I just don’t know how a “collaboration on the safe way to dispose of them” would work in this context . That doesn’t seem very realistic.
I can’t feel very outraged about these weapons being taken out of action. I think the weapons present as much a threat to ordinary Syrians as to Israel.

That doesn’t seem very realistic.
No bombing them obviously only option.... As I have mentioned the UN has asked them to stop. There are processes in place which are being ignored.

The statement from the UN chief stressed that the 1974 Disengagement of Forces Agreement “remains in force” and must be upheld, “including by ending all unauthorized presence in the area of separation and refraining from any action that would undermine the ceasefire and stability in Golan.”
Mr. Guterres also stated it is “imperative to support credible, orderly and inclusive transitional arrangements in Syria.”

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/12/1158131

Israel doesn't want the next government to have arms. Maybe because they're planning to steal more land from Syria? But it's not up to them what weapons Syria has.

Imagine if a neighbour of Israel's decided it was no longer safe for its neighbours that Israel has so many bombs it's happy to unleash upon neighbouring civilian populations? The key difference here is that Israel actually is bombing civilians in neighbouring countries. I don't think another country bombing Israel's weapons would go down as well as it is here with some posters.

It isn't their place to bomb sovereign countries, regardless who is in charge. Their right to self defence isn't pre-emptive. The UN ( you know, the organisation which decision created Israel and of of which Macron warned Netanyahu he ‘must not forget’ ) has asked them to stop. They have ignored (as usual) their call.
Israel is becoming a country of naked aggression under the guise of self defence. How many wars have they waged to eradicate terrorism? Has this approach worked? The answer is no. Yet they do it again and again, expecting a different result each time, which is a sign of madness, according to Einstein.
Frankly, I can't see why this so hard to understand.

Double standard, of course.

“ I don't think another country bombing Israel's weapons would go down as well as it is here with some posters.”
I agree that another country bombing Israel’s weapons wouldn’t go down well with Israel supporters.
Personally - I think if everyone just stuck to destroying each other’s weapons and no lives were lost it might not be such a bad thing ( but I realise too simplistic )
I do think that Syria is currently in a vulnerable position- there are probably different factions jockeying for power. I think the presence of huge numbers of weaponry is dangerous in such a volatile situation. ( I mean dangerous primarily for Syrians as I think it could encourage infighting )

Obviously I’m not suggesting that Israel did the bombing to help the Syrian civilians! I’m just explaining why I don’t feel outraged like some of the posters on here.

As many have suspected, the story about the freed prisoner in Syria prison was fake.. The guy turns out to be an intelligence officer for Assad with a corrupt history of torturing and killing of civilians. Also* *Clarissa Ward doesn't seem to be a dependable reporter.

Well done to the posters who immediately spotted that video was staged and faked, even with others criticising them.

There’s going to be more than a few people pretending to be someone they aren’t in Syria .

I hope the new government manage to control the inevitable anger to prevent disorder and vigilante violence. It will be hard to stop victims taking revenge on the perpetrators in their midst

Unfortunately, on October 7th 2023 Israel learned that relaxing meant her citizens would be massacred, tortured and kidnapped. As preemptive strikes go, for me, this is fairly understandable.

Israel may or may not have the right but she has the ability. Syria is still settling. Who knows what sort of society will happen there?

Doesn't Jordan have fairly normal relations with Israel? I don't see stories about Israel targeting Jordan's weapons.

The Israeli government failed to heed the warnings that an attack was imminent. They didn't relax as you put it. Netanyahu knew and did nothing.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/399788
Strangely, there will not be an inquiry either.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241212-israel-drops-proposal-for-7-october-inquiry-commission/
Israel may or may not have the right but she has the ability.
Well, personally, I think that the Israeli government should adhere to the international laws they willingly signed up to,
Syria is still settling. Who knows what sort of society will happen there?
This is up to the Syrians to decide, not Israel.
Doesn't Jordan have fairly normal relations with Israel? I don't see stories about Israel targeting Jordan's weapons.
Maybe that's because Jordan has a significant military presence, with a strong and well-equipped armed forces. It's funny how the Israeli government seems to only attack countries which do not possess any kind of air force or warships.

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All that matters is that do not have the right. So they should face strong condemnation from the international community and the US should stop military aid until they stop.

The US and Israel, our friends and allies have helpfully got rid of Syrian weapons which will hugely benefit the rest of us in the free world and I commend them for it.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/us-announces-air-strikes-on-isil-targets-in-syria-sfter-al-assadss-fall There are huge threats to our freedoms from ISIS and similar terrible groups who might well gain more influence in the new Syria.