Syria

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Has Syria been forgotten and who is to blame for civilian deaths in this region. It is Assad or rebel groups?

(Its a conflict in the middle East with huge civilian casualties but doesn't involve Israel so I guess this thread will for a death)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=The%20Syrian%20civil%20war%20(Arabic,sponsored%20and%20non%2Dstate%20actors.

Yet Israel is still being applauded by most of the western governments.

How does this relate to my comment?

It shows the double standard.

Are they, really?

I don't see any western governments trying too hard to stop their crimes against humanity.

Yes, by the western governments that matter in terms of clout- US, Germany, UK. US vetoing every UN council resolution to bring about a ceasefire and continuing to sell arms

Also when I wrote "Very reminiscent of non-existing WMDs in Iraq."

You replied with: "Chemical weapons are WMDs. Saddam used them against the Kurds, he had WMD's."

This doesn't prove that Iraq had WMDs before the USA invasion. But the attack in Iraq was done based on the false premises of Iraq having WMDs. This is a known fact now. You can find many articles about it by a simple search.

https://apnews.com/article/iraq-war-wmds-us-intelligence-f9e21ac59d3a0470d9bfcc83544d706e

Yes, literally. for example USA congress, I shared with timestamp, if doesn't work see towards the end of the video around 53:20.

Putting aside whether that's true or not, its hardly applauding is it? Or have we dispensed entirely with accuracy on this thread?

I just posted a video of USA congress applauding Netenyahu. How it is not applauding? They are actually hard at work for applauding. Also see the comments below the video. This is how most sane American people feel unless they are brainwashed evangelicals.

that's true. something we can both agree.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre

In 1988 his regime had WMD, in 1990 his regime invaded a neighbouring country and 'the west' came in as allies to liberate it. ( For reasons - opinions vary), in 2001 after many terrorist attacks against American interests (by Islamists), 9/11 happened and the shit really hit the fan. Nuclear capability in Iraq was unlikely but possible, biological & chemical weapon abilities were suspected (& previously proven). Hindsight is always 20/20 so we look back at what we know of history ( mostly limited or one sided) and have the luxury of judging.

Crimes against humanity seem to be prevalent right across the middle east, which is why this thread is about Syria, the crimes against humanity perpetrated there and the hope that a regime can create a stable, prosperous and safe society for all it's citizens, and peacefully coexist with it's neighbours.
Some people think that constantly vilifying Israel, (and the rise of antisemitism/tearing down posters of kidnapped babies whilest saying 'what about the children in Gaza') is also a double standard.
Is it impossible to feel compassion for innocent human lives on both sides.

It wasn't me who brought up Israel in this thread but now you talk of double standards, do you know what else is double standards? The same people who will talk in detail about the crimes of Assad regime (which are plenty) but minimise the crimes of the Netanyahu regime as self- defence or whatever else it's called these days. That is blatant hypocrisy.

Yes, another false claim. So here it goes like this:

• Al-Qaeda does terror attacks in USA on September 11, 2001.
• Although Al-Qaeda has no connections with Iraq, right after 9-11 terror attacks, the US media news held Iraq responsible for the attacks.

Side note: "Saddam Hussein did not support al-Qaeda. In fact, he viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime and refused al-Qaeda's requests for support."

• Iraq was invaded on false claims of having WMDs. At least 270,000 Iraqis were killed, mostly civilians. 4,000 US soldiers lost their lives.

So obviously you see, it was the media manipulation and lies that tied Iraq to 9-11 attacks. We are seeing the same plot against Iran now.

On the actual thread topic, human rights groups have warned about the horrific means of torture carried out in Syrian prisons that is so brutal that I personally can't understand how this was allowed to happen for so long. Why did no one try harder to stop it?

I should add a trigger warning

https://news.sky.com/story/inside-syrias-notorious-sednaya-prison-dubbed-the-human-slaughterhouse-13271849

Also, despite Al-Qaeda doing a major terror attack in USA, we are suddenly okay with a fraction of it now. The change in the narrative is dizzying. It makes one wonder if USA really cares about its own interests, especially about the safety of its own civilians.

This does raise alot of valid questions. This scenario was unimaginable less than a month ago and according to the UK and US, suddenly they aren't that bad anymore.

No it was ochalove.

A lot of people argued things should be done about Syria, again and again. But also there was huge opposition to intervening because western intervention would be colonial and interventions from regional states are accused of being compromised by their own interests.

Exactly, there's a co-ordinated campaign right now to manufacture consent in the exact same way as Iraq for further intervention in the region.

After the disastrous interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, the public rightly pressured their MPs/Senators to not intervene in Syria and votes were lost in Parliament and Congress.

Hence "staged" videos by "respected" CNN journalists like Clarissa Ward "rescuing" a perfectly manicured Syrian detainee. The aim purely to emotionally manipulate the public to call for intervention.

https://x.com/cnnipr/status/1866986427159830708

The community note says it all:
"This is clearly staged. There is no chance a prisoner who was in the darkness can look with wide eyes at the sun. Additionally, his jacket is clean, and he has a new haircut and clean nails, which is not a possible case for Syria’s prisons."

p.s. Ms ward also famously sniffed the clothing of a Syrian victim after "a suspected chemical attack".

Yes, I brought it up in the context of Syria's future saying "Syria's future will be whatever Israel wants it to be." and supported my claim by USA's unbounded support for Israel.
I can add also Israel's bombing several areas in Syria without much international objection.

Absolutely, the rescue video was really cringey. I would expect a more suitable staging and the reporter and the alleged prisoner could have acted better.

True. On this thread we have people wondering how it could have been allowed for so long, and then people saying that 'the west' staged victims to justify intervention.

We're not saying there were no victims. Actually, not Assad but his father Hafez al-Assad was the real brutal dictator. We're saying the video @BelleHathor mentioned was obviously staged. They do this so they can create more empathy and create consent with viewers for whatever agenda they have.
Did you watch the video? Did you really find it to be genuine?