Syria

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Has Syria been forgotten and who is to blame for civilian deaths in this region. It is Assad or rebel groups?

(Its a conflict in the middle East with huge civilian casualties but doesn't involve Israel so I guess this thread will for a death)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=The%20Syrian%20civil%20war%20(Arabic,sponsored%20and%20non%2Dstate%20actors.

The NHS is reliant on foreign Nurses and doctors to fill in the staffing gaps. the top Non UK nurses are recruited from India and Philippines , Doctors Egyptian (2.9%) Nigerian (2.0%), Pakistan (3.7%),
and yet the UK is competing with countries like Canada and Australia , NZ .

In most cases medical staff do go back to their countries at one point and either resume their profession in more prestigious facilities , after gaining skills in hospitals abroad .
few Egyptian doctors I know either set up clinics back home and split time between Egypt and UK . Or eventually move permanently back home.

DS is an engineer and now based in Amsterdam. DH is a doctor and we recently moved to Canada although DH is Canadian but came to the UK on a university scholarship.

A lot of medical trainees are planning to go abroad - better conditions, better wages, better opportunities for professional development. I recently got approached about what would have been a brilliant opportunity abroad apart from the family commitments I have here. 5/6 years ago, I would have jumped at that opportunity.

Really sad and distressing to start hearing more about the violence and harm in Syria under the regime. With many having been silenced throughout.

Assad was (is) evil. There are few people in this world who I feel I'll never be able to forgive. He's one of them.

Many around the ME "knew". Well heard.
I think this was bit similar to concentration camps. There were gossips, but no one wanted to believe it was really true because it's just wicked beyoned comprehension of normal people. And there was rarely anyone to tell the experience outside....

Listening to a spokesperson from MSF being interviewed on the radio talking about humanitarian concerns. He said over 80,000 Syrian returnees have come back in the past few days, they don't feel it was voluntary and they are adamant Syria is not safe yet for people to return, there isn't the infrastructure or services in place to support them.

Yes - It will take a while.
I can’t imagine anyone with a young family rushing back just yet . You’d want to be sure it was safe and stable/ the infrastructure for healthcare and education was in place
I hope it’s successful and thrives . The Syrian people have been through so much.

It's from Lebanon and Turkey. 80k may sound like a lot but it is not a big number in grand theme of things when it comes to how many are in these countries.
Some people have THAT bad lives as refugees there that anything will be welcomed. Including their family's deteriorated home with no electricity.
I alao auapect some rush to actually make sure their homes will not be claimed by anyone else.

This is their press release on it.

https://www.msf.org/msf-responds-peoples-developing-needs-northeast-syria

The security situation our teams are seeing on the ground in northeast Syria is characterised by ongoing localised violence and active hostilities, including potential threats from neighbouring countries, which present an immediate risk to the safety of civilians.

“Challenges for people are not reversed overnight, and the context is one of ongoing instability and displacement,” says Flokstra. “So, even if many people are currently choosing to return to Syria, it is still critical that this is a voluntary choice.”

This talks about 80k intwrnally locally displaced people, not returnees as you mentioned? They also don't say they feel it was not voluntary, but that it should be voluntary (which most people with braond do so)
Slightly confused between your first post on this and now article claiming different.

Happy to be corrected

Apologies this is a press release, my first post was from what I heard from an MSF spokesperson being interviewed on the news, not sure why both accounts are different but he did say Syria is not safe for returnees.

Well yeah it js not yet, that's why millions are staying put and being bit suspicious od suspicious reasonable new leader. DH is arguong with me now about him(no he is not IS, he is just wanting good for Syrian people and is bit optimistic now)

It fine, the press person may have jumble it. It's faat developing situation.

Some going back quickly were political refugees who want to rule or be involved in the new regime and obviously if you are in that category now is the time to go back (which is not most people). I would like everyone moderate who is against chemical weapons and wants a new society where you can live freely as any sect of Islam, as a Christian or anything else and with equal rights in law for women to be going back to make sure we do not get Afghanistan under the Taliban version 2 or Islamic State version 2..

I haven't been able to follow fully but just picking up some on Mazen al-Hamada

It's all so sad. No wonder Syrian people spontaneously celebrated on the streets as the regime fell. They could not speak negatively of Assad without fear of harm or death

I know it's just words, but it helps to share, I truly hope the people can live in a diverse society without fear. And start to heal from the horror

I hope no country forcing anyone to return - it should be totally voluntary. The Syrian family running our local coffee shop have said they will never return - too many bad memories.

I'm going to guess that the people going back are the people with nothing to lose. Probably people living in camps jn Lebanon or living on the margins in turkey.
These people have nothing to lose.

I volunteer in an organisation that Works with refugees including those from Syria and nobody has returned yet. They would be mad to go back until they see how it all pans out.

I think this gives clues about Syria's future, that there will be no Syria anymore:

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/12/11/israel-attack-syria-explainer

From USA perspective, USA government is so captivated by Israel lobby that the current administration is mostly trying to cover up for Israel. Trump administration will be worse, his America-First campaign turned into completely Israel-First in his second term. If it wasn't evident before, it is now based on his cabinet picks. So my claim is, Syria's future will be whatever Israel wants it to be.

Plus, they are already pushing a narrative to eventually drag down USA to attack Iran.
"On Fox News Wednesday morning, Congressman Jeff Van Drew said, "Iran launched a mothership probably about a month ago that contains these drones. That mothership, I'm going to tell you the deal, it's off the East Coast of the United States of America. They've launched drones."

So this Republican congressman makes this claim with no credible backing.
Then Pentagon makes an announcement that there is no connection to Iran.

We will hear more and more of these claims once Trump is in office.
Very reminiscent of non-existing WMDs in Iraq.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrwz91wqd9o

Chemical weapons are WMDs. Saddam used them against the Kurds, he had WMD's. Assad used them against his people and some believe that's where Saddam's stocks went.
But we are the Mavens of Mumsnet and lack of access to historical data and state secrets won't stop us speculating.

😆 and we are all at the mercy of the Israel Lobby! Of course.

Well that goes without saying....

And yet people have a compulsion to keep saying it 🤷

Perhaps they worry we'll forget.

'Analysis
Historian Robert Pape stated, "Gaza will also go down as a place name denoting one of history's heaviest conventional bombing campaigns."
Scholars termed the destruction of Gaza a domicide, leading the UN special rapporteur on the right to housing to argue that international law should be amended to consider domicide a war crime. Israel's airstrikes were described as a carpet bombing and "indiscriminate". An US intelligence report found half of the bombs dropped on Gaza had been unguided bombs. Experts stated the bombing campaign against Gaza had been among the deadliest and most destructive in modern history, with Corey Scher of the CUNY Graduate Center stating, "Gaza is now a different color from space." Several months later, Scher, who was involved with mapping the destruction in Gaza, stated, "The rate of damage being registered is unlike anything we have studied before. It is much faster and more extensive than anything we have mapped".'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip#:~:text=Israel's%20airstrikes%20were%20described%20as,Gaza%20had%20been%20unguided%20bombs.