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Conflict in the Middle East

Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:02

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:01

Well, it got deleted, so all of it I guess? 😂

Oh hilarious well done you. You must be so proud

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 21:04

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Bigredpants · 18/05/2024 21:05

@Cantonet What a bizarre post. I am not Israeli or Palestinian but are you seriously suggesting the Palestinian people are/were neutral in their attitude to Jewish people? I believe there are 2 million Muslims in Israel and about…0 in Palestinian areas as there is a matching zero tolerance for Jews.

literarybitery · 18/05/2024 21:05

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:27

I'm not interested in taking sides. The Israeli government and the IDF have also said and done awful, dehumanising things about the Palestinians.

Since Netanyahu announced his entirely impossible goal of "eliminating Hamas" I've been deeply worried about the number of Gazans who will die unnecessarily as a result. Pretty much everything I was worried about has and is happening.

The majority of Gazans are displaced. Hundreds of thousands are starving and we know children and babies are most likely to die in famine. This is entirely man made and there is no end in sight. It's shocking in the 21st Century.

I don't think any amount of barbarity from Hamas justifies what's happening in Gaza.

You also aren’t interested in addressing responses to your own posts.
You claimed Hamas ‘only’ want to murder Zionists ( who are, let’s face it, Jewish) , not Jews.

I presented evidence that their words when in action make it clear they do want to murder Jews.

Your response now is a rather unconvincing body swerve.

I can’t really take seriously your claim that you aren’t taking sides, when you present the words of terrorists to claim ‘look! They ‘only’ want to murder Zionist Jews! Stop misrepresenting them as murderously anti-Semitic!’ Someone who is genuinely not taking sides would never say anything so utterly repellant ( and frankly stupid).

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:02

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?! And "so-called hatred of the Zionists"?! It's not "so-called". It's even in the fucking updated Hamas charter! The original charter was also very clear on their stance on Israelis, Zionists and Jews. The original charter that got Hamas elected. They got something like 45% of the vote at the time.

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:06

Cantonet · 18/05/2024 20:54

So true.
The Israelis are not attacking Hamas effectively. There is increasing criticism of the way they're fighting this war from Israelis. Bombing the top doesn't damage these tunnels but just causes collateral damage - the poor Palestinians. So the Hamas fighters are increasingly able to regroup.
Are the Idf going to repeatedly re-fight in the same areas they cleared a few weeks ago? They need a whole new way to attack Hamas within the tunnels. That's the only way the war in Vietnam was won via learning a whole new way of combat.

Most Israelis/Idf fighters seem to have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians. There's no compassion or care for them at all. They're not treated like human beings, but they're akin to Cockroaches. This is far more apparent than the Palestinians so-called hatred of the Zionists. I've read that the support for Hamas before the 7th was low within the educated Palestinian sector. I'm sure support has now rocketed because they're the only ones fighting against this immensely cruel, totally unfair attack on the Palestinians.

I’m not sure how you can write this stuff but I hope this thread isn’t deleted as it shows the type of thinking on SM

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:06

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

How many posters here are Israeli?

mids2019 · 18/05/2024 21:06

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Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:07

Bigredpants · 18/05/2024 21:05

@Cantonet What a bizarre post. I am not Israeli or Palestinian but are you seriously suggesting the Palestinian people are/were neutral in their attitude to Jewish people? I believe there are 2 million Muslims in Israel and about…0 in Palestinian areas as there is a matching zero tolerance for Jews.

Are you including the illegal occupiers in those figures?

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:08

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

It really isn’t

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:08

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Maybe once the war is over those brave Hamas fighters can join their kin in the UK for reunions 😖
So all Palestinians are Hamas?

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:09

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:06

What the actual fuck? Where is your proof that most Israelis have a deep-rooted hatred of Palestinians? And have no compassion?!

This thread is proof enough tbh

Which posters are Israeli?

Can you list

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:09

Which posters are Israeli?

Can you list

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:12

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

Might be better if you just admit you were trying to be clever or funny and that you missed the mark by some distance.

MissyB1 · 18/05/2024 21:13

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So all Palestinian men are members of Hamas? Do you have proof of that? Or do you just think Muslim man = terrorist?

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 21:13

literarybitery · 18/05/2024 21:05

You also aren’t interested in addressing responses to your own posts.
You claimed Hamas ‘only’ want to murder Zionists ( who are, let’s face it, Jewish) , not Jews.

I presented evidence that their words when in action make it clear they do want to murder Jews.

Your response now is a rather unconvincing body swerve.

I can’t really take seriously your claim that you aren’t taking sides, when you present the words of terrorists to claim ‘look! They ‘only’ want to murder Zionist Jews! Stop misrepresenting them as murderously anti-Semitic!’ Someone who is genuinely not taking sides would never say anything so utterly repellant ( and frankly stupid).

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I was responding to a poster claiming I made stuff up.

I have no interest in defending my position to posters who are being quite rude and goady. I'm body swerving that.

Hamas are clearly murderously anti-Israeli. Their actions show that. But most Gazans are not Hamas. Most Gazans didn't have any say in having Hamas in power. They do not deserve what's happening to them, and there is certainly no evidence that a Gazan refugee would be a risk to the UK.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:13

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

So no one.

Btw the only post that suggests they know a lot is the op’s below, also unbelievable assumptions

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:15

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:11

I assumed some were because they seemed to know a lot about them

The person asserting knowledge about them seems to be you. Or maybe you’re just airing your prejudices?
I know what my money’s on.

mids2019 · 18/05/2024 21:15

@MissyB1

there are obviously a significant number of Hamas fighters and I imagine the majority are male. Hamas and their fighters still have considerable support amongst the populace in Gaza so we can assume this support would be translated over to any UK immigrants.

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 21:17

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:09

Let me make clear that I am not minimising the horror of what's happened on either side,

No you are just denying what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza. I am not on twitter or any other social media I pretty much get all my news from msm news channels and I can see clear as day what's happening, but keep telling yourself Hamas are manipulating us if it makes you feel better

I can see that you can't see it. But quite honestly, you might one day.

Bigredpants · 18/05/2024 21:18

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:07

Are you including the illegal occupiers in those figures?

Israel should not occupy land outside agreed borders. There have to be borders. Two states.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 21:18

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 21:13

I was responding to a poster claiming I made stuff up.

I have no interest in defending my position to posters who are being quite rude and goady. I'm body swerving that.

Hamas are clearly murderously anti-Israeli. Their actions show that. But most Gazans are not Hamas. Most Gazans didn't have any say in having Hamas in power. They do not deserve what's happening to them, and there is certainly no evidence that a Gazan refugee would be a risk to the UK.

You did make stuff up. You told us all hamas didn’t hate Jews. Then you posted hamas propaganda as evidence for that proposition.
i mean, we can go over all this again if you want to, but I’m really not sure why you would

Gunnersforthecup · 18/05/2024 21:20

MissyB1 · 18/05/2024 21:13

So all Palestinian men are members of Hamas? Do you have proof of that? Or do you just think Muslim man = terrorist?

According to this survey, Hamas has a lot of Palestinian support.

If so, and if we don't want Hamas supporters / members / activists in the UK, how we weed them out?

I think the vetting would be extremely difficult. I also think that we would as far as possible be interested also in the political opinions of women refugees (I realise they don't have access to equal opportunities of political expression there of course. But they would have much more freedom of expression in the UK).

Although, in principle, the proposition that some refugees could come to the UK is reasonable.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20poll%2C%20only,compared%20to%20three%20months%20ago.

Poll: Hamas Remains Popular Among Palestinians

Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist...

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20poll%2C%20only,compared%20to%20three%20months%20ago.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:21

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:12

Might be better if you just admit you were trying to be clever or funny and that you missed the mark by some distance.

I am clever and funny don't need to try 😉

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