Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

Terrible.

Anti semitism is everywhere....Have you also seen the Shoah memorial in Paris has been vandalised?

@Comedycook

No. It's depressing.

It just seems like being Jew Ian is now risky and I fear society at large is allowing this to happen. There is too much anti semtitism being shipped up by Gaza and people are afraid to call it out.

Yet more terrorism in the world :(

Very concerning. Hopefully a wake up call for those who are in denial but this is nothing new of course. All Jewish organisations such as schools, businesses and museums have had to have much highet levels of security than non-Jewish equivalents for years & synagogues are regularly vandalised despite their security - the Community Security Trust grew out of the Board of Deputies as long ago as the 80s.

@SharonEllis

I am glad this is being called as a potential terror attack on British soil and the accused are named. However maybe we should be raising the terror level more generally as although not a security expert it does seem unfortunately that such an attack is becoming more likely. The security services can't do everything.

I think this is a wake up call to those who complain that highlighting anti semitism is an exaggeration. It is right we worry about such things.

It’s disgusting and the mindless sheep waving their flags every weekend about things they don’t understand are really not helping.

@TabithaTimeTurner

it looks like Islamic State were the sponsors but I think the current climate will help radicalise recruits. I read in the article an automatic weapon was to be used!

I wonder if schemes like prevent could be ran now?

You may not agree to the marches happening and you have every right to do so but your derogatory sweeping statement on the marchers is not a valid argument to explain why antisemitism is rising.
By the way, any form of racism is despicable and I sincerely hope these vile individuals are dealt with accordingly.

@mids2019 inspired by, not sponsored by IS. Huge difference.

Not sure what you mean about Prevent? Its is still running.

@SharonEllis

I stand corrected

She said it was 'not helping'. Given the open antisemitism that goes unchallenged on the marches & demos (I refer you to Leeds just yesterday 'zionist maggots') I think 'not helping' is a very reasonable and pretty evidence based statement. The huge rise in antisemitism has undoubtedly gone alongside the jump in antiIsrael activity. I think it would be the world's weirdest coincidence if they were not related given the routine conflation of jews/zionists/Israelis

The acts were planned for December so there is a reasonable likelihood that these terrorist plots are at least partially motivated by the war in the middle East and certainly a rise in anti semitism could be a precursor to plans like this.

I criticised the language she used to describe the marchers, nothing else.
She could just have stated "the marches are not helping", without the need to be insulting.

@Auvergne63 interesting that that's your takeaway on a thread about a plot to kill Jews i the UK, If it was just the language used rather than the substantive point - which is that there are people propping up antisemites in these demos, theb I think calling them 'mindless' is quite restrained.

A single data point doesn’t make a trend.

I am looking forward to the Apr 23-Mar 24 Hate Crime statistics report to illuminate the impact of the Gazan war on both antisemitism and antimuslim hate crimes. The report will be released on 10 October 2024. It’s obvious there will be an increase, not so clear if it will be a record breaking increase or if the increase can be attributed to the protests.

2021-22
“In year ending March 2022, where the perceived religion of the victim was recorded, two in five (42%) of religious hate crime offences were targeted against Muslims (3,459 offences). The next most commonly targeted group were Jewish people, who were targeted in just under one in four (23%) of religious hate crimes (1,919 offences).”

”Religious hate crimes increased by 37 per cent between year ending March 2021 and year ending March 2022 (from 6,383 to 8,730). This increase follows two years where the number of these offences had fallen.”

2022-23
”In the year ending March 2023, where the perceived religion of the victim was recorded, over 4 in 10 (44%) of religious hate crime offences were targeted against Muslims (3,400 offences). The next most commonly targeted group were Jewish people, who were targeted in around 1 in 5 (19%) of religious hate crimes (1,510 offences).”

”Religious hate crimes decreased by 4% between the year ending March 2022 and the year ending March 2023 (from 8,602 to 8,241).”

Maybe we could play bingo...

I'm just waiting to hear someone say that

-You can't criticise Israel without being called anti semetic

-There's lots of Jewish people on the march who are warmly welcomed

Anything else....

You can imply whatever you want from my post. I just think that you shouldn't tarnish every marcher with the same brush, unless you also believe we are the mindless sheep waving our flags every weekend about things we don’t understand".
Are they antisemitic elements in the protests, yes. Are they all antisemites, no.
Imagine if I describe every pro Israeli government protester the same way.
I am sure you would object too.

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Jews never were as safe in the U.K. as Christians, as SharonEllis pointed out,
The hate crime statistics for decades show that.

The that before the Gaza protests, Jewish people were safe and there was hardly any antisemitism in the U.K. is erasing the grim hostility that Jewish communities have faced for years.

The Jewish community in the UK is relatively small and many of us, me included, are not visibly Jewish and go about our day to day lives without strangers knowing that we are. I dread to think what the statistics would be if we were a bigger and more visible community.

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Agreed. Some are of course well meaning but a significant number are not.

TBH, as someone who has sat in synagogue wondering what I'd do if I heard gunshots or an explosion and how we'd get the kids out etc, I don't actually think this means Jews 'aren't safe in the UK' and I believe that extremist Muslim Jew hatred is actually a fairly separate issue from antisemitism.

I'm not surprised by this and I'm 100 per cent sure right now there's a handful of other people in the UK (and other countries outside the Middle East) planning similar. But this is a national security issue and a Muslim extremism issue (and they do not represent the vast majority of Muslims at all), not a 'British antisemitism' issue. The government, police and security forces are completely against this, hence they busted these guys, thank God. The UK ultimately remains, even though things have deteriorated, one of the safest countries for Jews in the world, and probably one of the communities better protected by the authorities from this kind of aggression.

@Auvergne63

May be next time you march one of those flags should be anti Hamas. May be if we had many more of those.....