So which party is scuppering the ceasefire?

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Excellent article in the FT outlining what the stumbling blocks are.
Interesting reading. Haven't seen this much detail elsewhere.

https://www.ft.com/content/89d1168e-764f-4900-8fa8-42007b49082f

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68960585

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant accused Hamas on Sunday of showing signs it was not serious about reaching a truce and said that if so, Israel would launch military actions in Rafah and other parts of the Gaza Strip "in the very near future."
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-799944

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant accused Hamas on Sunday of showing signs it was not serious about reaching a truce and said that if so, Israel would launch military actions in Rafah
Of course he's going to say that, they want to go in to Rafah so a ceasefire now is not in their interests and could lose the support of the US. Anyone who thinks this is about the hostages is delusional.

So what, you propose to never have a ceasefire in case one side breaks it? That's ridiculous. Israel have said that if there is a deal they'll still invade Rafah so that's the bigger stumbling block here.

They won't release the hostages obviously because that is the only "bargaining chip" for want of a better phrase, that they have in these negotiations. Without the hostages they have nothing to negotiate and there would be no deal.

Hamas has loads to negotiate with even without the hostages - not firing rockets endlessly, not demanding the return of convicted terrorist murderers etc. The hostages are innocent civilians taken in an unequivocally evil act. Its not actually a lot to ask to return them. I agree, of course you don't propose to never have a ceasefire in case one side breaks it - who suggested that? But the deal has to be based on some semblance of reality.

Hamas dont want peace. BBC reported this afternoon a barrage of tickets being fired into southern Israel.

1,300 Palestinians are in Israel's jails without being charged, so maybe they could start with them?

You may be right. Israel's actions, like the USA's before them, have guaranteed another generation of radicalised militants both inside and outside of Palestine. Just as Israeli actions led to the establishment of Hamas in Palestine in the first place.

The overreaction to terrorist attacks is what terrorists rely on to grow their support.

I know you were corrected on this before but some of the hostages were not civillians. Civillians are people who are not members of the armed forces. And a lot of Palestinian prisoners are not convicted murderers or convicted of anything at all. There is also the issue of how Israel 'convicts' people.

The fact that you know this but keep repeating yourself in that way makes it seem like you are trying to paint Israelis as 'innocent civillians' and all Palestinians as murderers. The truth is that some of the Palestinians being held and abused by Israel are innocent civillians just like some of Israelis being held and abused by Hamas are innocent civillians.

Many innocent Palestinians are currently detained in Israeli prisons.

Please stop trying to paint them all as "terrorist murderers". That just reinforces the racist stereotyping and dehumanisation of Palestinians.

"Hamas has loads to negotiate with even without the hostages - not firing rockets endlessly, not demanding the return of convicted terrorist murderers etc. " @SharonEllis

SharonEllis, aside from the hostages, violence is the only bargaining chip Hamas has.

"Demanding the return of convicted terrorist murderers " is not a bargaining chip. It is a demand and as such is unlikely to scare Israel. Maybe there are some tangible threats in your etceteras. Please elucidate.

This is silly. I never said, or implied that all Palestinians are murderers. Nice try!

As previous comment. Never said that & have previously said there were issues with people being detained without due process. Sadly this is a consequence of war & you'll find it happens in all war/civil strife situations. Doesn't make it right but its valuable context & as usual points to the way Israel is always held to a higher standard than other countries. Perhaps worth remembering that Hamas just executes people it doesn't like & is not noted for its observance of due legal process. Im flattered that you're fixated on trying to recast what I say but it doesn't add much to the debate.

You literally said, in the post I quoted: "not demanding the return of convicted terrorist murderers".

Many of the Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons are not even charged with anything specific, let alone convicted. Language matters, and the language used in your post reinforces the incorrect narrative that Palestinian prisoner = terrorist/killer. Perhaps you intended to express that Hamas could ensure they did not include the names of convicted murderers among their requests for prisoners to be released, in which case the agreement of a veto on specific prisoner releases would have probably been sufficient, had the ceasefire been accepted by the Israeli government.

You are correct that there are similar breaches of human rights in other places around the world. None of them are ok. That includes the cases in Israel. I'm not holding the Israeli government to a higher standard than I hold any other government, here.

SharonEllis how you can honestly believe Isreal is being held to a higher standard then other countries when it has killed more children in Gaza then any other armed conflict in the last four years! What kind of standard is that when your country is being investigated for crimes of genocide and your PM is hiding from the ICC due to war crimes.

You are deliberately twisting what I say. But for the record higher up the thread I gave examples of Palestinians who were responsible for heinous acts of terrorism who are imprisoned by Israel and reportedly on Hamas's wishlist for release, along with others undoubtedly involved in acts of terrorism. You do not get to be a designated/proscribed terrorist organisation running peace camps. I therefore gave the example of not requiring Israel to release convicted murderer as an example of a reasonable proposal in negotiations. I nowhere said all Palestinians or all Palestinian prisoners were murderers or terrorists. It

@SharonEllis , if that's not how you intended it to come across, that's good. Thank you for clarifying.

From Haaretz:

"Netanyahu is fleeing from a hostage deal. The closer it gets, the faster he runs to avoid it. At least twice in recent months he has sabotaged the sensitive moves toward a deal, whether through public statements or covert messages, or by curbing the mandate of the negotiating team. It was no different this time" - Yossi Verter

Who is scuppering a ceasefire deal?

The party who started this whole thing but somehow has made it Israel's fault of course. They don't care about Palestinians or Israeli's - certainly given the opportunity, they would not give two shiny shits about pampered western students who apparently can't grasp the unpleasant reality of people who aren't actually just like themselves at heart and who don't share pretty much any of the values they are banging on about.

I was agreeing with you

Cool.